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He was taking Flomax and had a cathedar.  Explains the pee in bottles.

And I'm looking at the CR right now and it states, "A MUSTACHE AND BEARD ARE ABSENT."  On the bottom of page 14.
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What you have just witnessed could be the end of a particularly terrifying nightmare.  It isn’t. It’s the beginning....

Quote from: "THE JACKSONOLOGIST"
Cant remember if this was said in here already, but didnt someone say in a previous thread that MJ was allowed to witness surgeries on other people? If this is true then maybe he was waiting for that certain individual who was his "twin" who was in very poor health and when this person died,,,mj jumped on it..... now we have our MJ look alike.  

I know, its out there but what the hey...

maybe he also watched some autopsy" s, so he could help to make his own rapport  ;) because it has to be a very good one to make people believe its his autopsy rapport doesnt it? aldo he cant fool us with it.. :o
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Anesthetics can cause cerebral swelling and ischemic injury.
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A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is just putting on its shoes.

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There's another thing I noticed.... On page 1 it is said, that he had/has natural teeth

And on another ( sorry, don't know which page it was) it is said he ceramical implants etc..

and here's the date you were talking about...it looks re-written...



And another thing I noticed....On one report it is said Michael Jackson, the next is Michael J. Jackson and the other is Michael Joseph Jackson...
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OKAY, EVERBODY! THAT\'S A WRAP!

Quote from: "Lady J"
another thing Karen Faye lied about his weight. In  the report we don´t have the weight she mentioned.

Ive clocked onto that too.
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Page 14: A moustache and beard are present

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aqtually it says..." a mustache and beard are absent"   as in not there
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"This is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning." – Sir Winston Churchill



MICHAEL JOSEPH JACKSON....but, if you remember, TMZ confirmed that the real middle name is JOE.

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Oh, I'd like to hear NOW that the report is not referring to Michael...it's so sad... because the report seems so real with all those detailed descriptions and medical investigation.
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The Truth is like the Sun, You can shut it out for a time, but it ain’t goin’ away”
                 Elvis Presley

It may not be important , but i have just read the autopsy and in page 3 it's said:" the body was positively identified as Michael Joseph Jackson by visual comparison to his California Drivers License" and in the Drivers License that we have ( Michael's features, habits & disguises - MJ Driving Licence Picture )his name is Michael Joe jackson.If they just used the Driving license to identify the body, why did the change the middle name?
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"For what is a man, what has he got?
If not himself, then he has naught.
To say the things he truly feels
And not the words of one who kneels
The record shows I took the blows
And did it my way..."

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Quote from: "Tink.I.Am"
Quote from: "Serenitys_Dream"
Page 14: A moustache and beard are present

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aqtually it says..." a mustache and beard are absent"   as in not there

Sorry I fixed it. There was a lot of reading and typing back and forth.  :oops:
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Well the FBI files stated his middle name as Joe and this tmz report states Joseph so this is a big FAKE
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Michael knocking out the media one day at a time lool

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Also at the foot of the bed,there was a closed bottle of urine atop a chair.

TMZ peeing in cups story anyone?

TMZ story posted after I posted this. Synchronicity!

Michael Jackson - 'That's How He Peed'
Posted Feb 9th 2010 12:20PM by TMZ Staff

It seems Michael Jackson's longtime doctor, Arnold Klein, was telling the truth about Michael's propensity to pee in bottles ... based on the L.A. County Coroner's autopsy report and a strange item found by the foot of the bed.
TMZ first published the autopsy findings yesterday. Among the items found in the bedroom where Dr. Conrad Murray was treating Michael Jackson -- "a closed bottle of urine atop a chair."
Back in November, we posted a story about Dr. Arnold Klein, who told us that Michael Jackson had a habit of peeing in cups and other objects, often in front of others.
Dr. Klein told TMZ today Jackson would pee in any object that was available and it all stemmed from necessity. "That's how he peed," Klein said.
Dr. Klein: Click to watchKlein told us when Jackson was 5 years old and on stage, there were often no bathrooms in the immediate vicinity and as a result he would pee in bottles.
Dr. Klein again expressed disdain for Dr. Murray giving Michael Jackson intramuscular injections of Propofol for sleep, calling it "horribly wrong."
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Intramuscular (or IM) injection is the injection of a substance directly into a muscle.
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This is not how Propofol is administered...It is done through an intravenous (IV) continuous drip or the person will wake up!!.
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Page 3: I preformed an external body examination at the hospital on 6/25/09. The body was positively identified as Michael Joseph Jackson by visual comparison to his California drivers license on 6/25/09.

If this identification was taking place at the hospital, there were many family members present etc why would identification be made using his drivers license? not just that, the next one too...

Page 15: The body was not clothed and no clothing is available for review.

If he was unclothed, where did the drivers licence come from that was used to identify him? It is not like he had pockets to have this item on him at the time. It also seems unlikely it would have been a priority to locate this piece of identification during the efforts to revive him.

I do not know Michael personally but didn't he wear pyjamas a lot? Why would he not have some garment on as he was a modest, shy man and especially as Murray was supposed to be watching over him during the entire "induced sleep". There seemed to be many other medical supplies present why not a hospital gown at least? IDK seems odd...

I was not able to read the full report yet, but I recall it mentioned a hospital gown. The drivers's licence identification probably was unnecessary, but apparently done anyway. Someone of the staff probably took the drivers licence to the coroner's office afterwards for identification.

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Page 18: Residual Brain tissue is released to the mortuary 7-8-09.

So if the brain tissue was released 7-8-09 why was the internment ceremony (funeral) delayed until Sept 3. We were told that the family was awaiting the release of this tissue to proceed with his internment. The stories do not coincide.
The only info on this came from the media, not very reliable: there was rumour about some fuzz within the family about the funeral date, location and full agenda's.

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Page 51: August 6, 2009at approximately 1300 hours I was notified by Chief of Laboratories Joseph Muto that a Coroner's Criminalist was requested to collect hair samples from the above listed decadent for potential toxicology testing.

The coroner had the body from June 25/09 and it appeared that the decedent may have died from drugs but they never took hair samples at the autopsy? I am not a forensic expert but you would think this would be something that would have been done at autopsy as someone who is a long time drug user would have deposits of these drugs in their hair follicles.
I replied in the other thread (decadent??? :shock:)

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Page 51: The majority of the decedent was covered with multiple white towels/sheets leaving only the hands and the top of the head exposed.

I have never heard of anyone being placed in a casket covered by such items. Could the criminalist not distinguish between whether these where towels or sheets? I mean seriously towel and sheet material are 2 completely different things and what purpose did they serve? The criminalist mentions moving the wig but not the sheet/towel items covering the face, how does he even know he is taking hair samples from the right body?
It's somewhat odd indeed, the purpose of the sheets. As there were multiple, it could have been both towels and sheets. Maybe it was done to conceil the face, to prevent picture's being taken. For sure he must have checked that this was the right body, can't imagine he would not have.

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Nowhere are there any test results for the hair samples that were taken included in this report...
A big deal seems to be made about substances on the hair and some sort of adhesive on the head but we see no results of any tests or anything.

These tests were apparently done after the autopsy, which is why they may not have been included in the report.
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Page 3: Scene description - Various medical supplies including a box a catheters...Also at the foot of the bed,there was a closed bottle of urine atop a chair.
Body Examination - There was also an external urine catheter present.

Ok so when this supposed home infusion of anaesthetic was taking place, a catheter was being used to collect urine. Nowhere in the report does it say that this catheter was attached to any sort of collection bag. We have a bottle of urine which has been closed and capped sitting there but no one takes it for any type of testing, nothing is described as having been attached to it etc. TMZ peeing in cups story anyone?
It may have been analysed, but reported in a seperate report from the autopsy report.
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Page 27:
A.  Mild cerebral vascular congestion
Cerebral - relating to the brain
Vascular - vessels that conduct and circulate fluids
Congestion - accumulation of blood or other fluid in a body part

Page 26: There is a mild degree of leptomeningeal vascular congestion.
Leptomeningeal - the meninges; membranes surrounding the central nervous system. Cerebrospinal fluid circulates between these layers.

So we have some fluid that has accumulated in this brain area but the report does include a description of this fluid nor any possible cause for the fluids accumulation.


B.    Mild diffuse brain swelling without herniation syndrome
Diffuse - spread out not concentrated in one place
herniation syndrome -Inter cranial pressure

So we have mild spread out swelling within the brain without any pressure but such swelling is an indication of some sort of head and/or brain injury. Yet there are no outward indications of any head injury occurring and no explanation for this swelling is given in the report.

I have not read the full report yet, can't answer this one.
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Page 45: Stomach Contents
SERVICE                   DRUG              LEVELS UNITS
Bases                      Lidocaine          1.6       mg
Propofol                  Propofol             0.13    mg

Again I do not know a lot about forensics but if propofol was being administered intravenously and lidocaine is given at an injection site how did they get in to the actual stomach contents, was he sipping on them?
Wondered about this too, perhaps some diffusion from the bloodstream

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Propofol is found throughout the blood, tissue, fluids samples etc. There seems to be a problem with this scenario though. [/color]
The most important advantage of propofol is its rapid onset and offset of action. This behavior of a "rapid on, rapid off" feature, not available with the intravenous opiates or benzodiazepines, accounts for the increasing popularity of propofol. Because the onset of action after a single dose is rapid, and its effect brief (~ 10-15 minutes) due to high lipophilicity and central nervous system penetration, propofol is given only by continuous infusion when used for sedation. Propofol is a complex drug that actually has three half-lives. Its a half-life, the distribution of the drug from the blood to the tissues after intravenous administration, is very short, perhaps 2 to 3 minutes. The ß half-life of the drug, which is basically the elimination half-life, ranges from 30 to 60 minutes. The half-life, or terminal half-life, during which the drug is eliminated from the third compartment, or tissue fat, ranges from 300 to 700 minutes. Clearance is by hepatic elimination.  The large contribution of (about 50%) to the fall of plasma levels means that after very long infusions (at steady state), only about half the initial is needed to maintain the same plasma levels. The large volume of distribution normally seen in the septic or injured host, in combination with the lessened ability to clear the drug in the elderly, can result in a prolonged recovery phase of days due to drug accumulation. Failure to the infusion rate in patients receiving propofol for extended periods may result in excessively high blood concentrations of the drug. Thus, titration to clinical response and daily evaluation of sedation levels are important during extended use of propofol in the ICU.
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Propofol is given intravenously infusing this drug slowly over a period of time to maintain the anaesthetic effects and it is being continuously and quickly removed by the body. So either it built up over time in the blood or a big dose was given at once for there to be such a traceable amount found in all these tissues and fluids. There is also one other possibility... The propofol was poured into/onto blood and tissues samples after they were taken. If this is the case then explains why propofol and lidocaine were both found in the stomach contents.
The combination with the other drugs may cause the propofol to be metabolised slower, causing it to build up.
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1. On the first page it says he was "unshaven".  Later on it says, "mustache and beard ABSENT"
I don't understand why people focus that much on this. He clearly had not been shaven yet, so he had some overnight stubbles. Overnight stubbles do not make a mustache and beard, obviously.
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I havent read this whole thread yet, so sorry if this has  been mentioned but why would they use his DL pic to identify him? I know for sure they use dental records and fingerprints to ID a body.....a drivers license pic? WITFH?
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Quote from: "THE JACKSONOLOGIST"
I havent read this whole thread yet, so sorry if this has  been mentioned but why would they use his DL pic to identify him? I know for sure they use dental records and fingerprints to ID a body.....a drivers license pic? WITFH?

Fingerprints were mentioned in the autopsy report too.
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