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Re: Interesting read from MJHD....

  • on: February 23, 2010, 03:10:46 PM
Quote from: "Grace"
This lady tries very hard but unfortunately is taking some aspects of the story as facts that were distributed by media and debunked already as being false. She is starting with the timeline as we were fed by media. Her complete theory construction is built on this timeline and "hear-say" utterances of some so said "close sources". We discussed all that in detail in the early days and debunked her basics as contradicting and unproven. So her theory is built on fog.

Furthermore, we have seen with our own eyes what was made available for them to see.
And what was made for our eyes to see shows clearly that Michael is not only alive but the master behind the curtain. If he was in danger or captivity, the family would have reacted differently. The "official" occasions would have unfolded differently. And we would not have had the pleasure to be confronted with so much humour all the way long.
If someone else but Michael would be behind, there would be all kind of coincidences and knots but not that much humour.

So: not believable, not based on facts and not even logic in its development this story.

Thats kinda what I was saying in a previous post about who the heck it was they viewed at Forrest Lawn. Her theory is so "out there"...BUT, then again, if some of what she says IS true, that MJ was drugged at the hospital etc, then that would coincide with Jermaines slip up about the airport/hospital. Maybe MJ came to in the hospital and he realised someone WAS trying to kill him and almost succeeded, and he and his family had to think quick and get him outta town...quick....via airport. Paris and Prince are old enough to understand what had to be doen but Blanket was told his dad was on vacation. I do not think this hoax was planned at all and it only came to light at the hospital.
I still think MJ is in hiding somehwere and NOT kidnapped. The kidnapping thing is just....too far fetched for me.

The following post by Carmen also caught my eye:


MICHAEL COULD NOT INJECT HIMSELF IN THE THROUGHT EVEN IF HE WAS A CONTORTIONIST!!! AN INJECTION IN THE THROUGHT IN THE MAIN VAIN IS ABOUT AS PAINFUL AS STABBING AND CAN ONLY BE DONE BY SOMEONE OTHER THEN THE PERSON BEING INJECTED!!! ALSO, UNLESS A PATIENT IS ALMOST DEAD OR UNCONSCIOUS THE PAIN IS SO BAD HE MOST LIKELY HAS TO BE HELD DOWN!!!
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Re: Interesting read from MJHD....

  • on: February 23, 2010, 04:01:27 PM
Quote from: "THE JACKSONOLOGIST"
BUT, then again, if some of what she says IS true, that MJ was drugged at the hospital etc, then that would coincide with Jermaines slip up about the airport/hospital. Maybe MJ came to in the hospital and he realised someone WAS trying to kill him and almost succeeded, and he and his family had to think quick and get him outta town...quick....via airport. Paris and Prince are old enough to understand what had to be doen but Blanket was told his dad was on vacation. I do not think this hoax was planned at all and it only came to light at the hospital.
I still think MJ is in hiding somehwere and NOT kidnapped. The kidnapping thing is just....too far fetched for me.

The following post by Carmen also caught my eye:


MICHAEL COULD NOT INJECT HIMSELF IN THE THROUGHT EVEN IF HE WAS A CONTORTIONIST!!! AN INJECTION IN THE THROUGHT IN THE MAIN VAIN IS ABOUT AS PAINFUL AS STABBING AND CAN ONLY BE DONE BY SOMEONE OTHER THEN THE PERSON BEING INJECTED!!! ALSO, UNLESS A PATIENT IS ALMOST DEAD OR UNCONSCIOUS THE PAIN IS SO BAD HE MOST LIKELY HAS TO BE HELD DOWN!!!

Well, I have not seen any proof of any needle mark in the back neck. There were only "hear-say" sources and the fake coroner report and media coverage on this. This is no proof.
But if there were a needle mark, I would NOTbelieve to have it close to the neck. I am no physician but have never heard of any potential injection area at the neck - except maybe if e.g. a vessel was closed causing a stroke, was located and should be reopened quickly. This however I leave up to the docs to discuss.

The lady on that blog IMHO is a little bit too much yelling to be credible.
HOWEVER, it brings back the theory of dragon on MJHD which I will cite as it was lost in the database crashes. It was posted on August 15, 2009. Maybe some remember this theory. If dragon is still with us, I hope it's ok that I re-post it. If not, I will delete the post.
The links may not work as they were always shrinked on MJHD. But with the beginning part and search function one should find the rest.

Credit goes to dragon:
"a great theory where everything fits…mj,murray and co….

Okay,this is what our small researcher group built up,almost 2 weeks
ago.
We always holding our stuff back,cause we re not sure,if we could do
soething wrong when it comes to Michaels secure.
We even have a lot more intresting stuff what we researched.but like i
said,we handle it careful.
Now,it was my mean job to translate all the stuff,specially the
medical stuff with a dictionary,and it took a long time….but i would
do everything for mj …. And sure,the others of us as well.
Now here we go:
Mabe,well,not maybe,but for sure….dr. murray isn’t dr.
murray.maybe he is just an undercover agent who might helped
Michael for certain reasons and helped im for the hoax.
This would even explain the faked emergency call. And this would
even explain the SLOW-MOTION-AMBULANE-EVACUATION
and that we don’t get any feedback of UCLA for his death.
Every time when something was discovered about dr. murray
fotos….you found something new in the media the right next day.
Even this cheap cobbled personal data sheet fits into this theory,
cause undercover agents have to be undercover……
So we have these filmsy declarations and tatarata…….:the not
coming or happening imprisonment.
Now,letz become medical
(R,S)-Hyoscyamin, DL-Hyoscyamin, “Belladonna”
Summenformel: C17H23NO3
INDEX
definition
pharmacologic effect
medical application
contamination
definition
ATROPIN
Is a toxic alkaloid what is nature coming from solanaceous herb like
Alraune,henbane, angeltrompet,thorn apple,deadly nightshade.
Chemical definition is atropine a Racemat of D- und L-Hyoscyamin.
pharmacologic effect
Atropin takes parasympatholytic effect, that means it decreases the
effect of Parasympathikus that means it blocks Acetylcholin away
from the Muskarinrezeptores.this effects a huge palette of
pharmalogic effects.
Effect of Atropin
Organsystem Effect
Heart augmentation of the heartfrequence (Tachykardie)
Quickening of the AV passage
Lunge Mydriasis
medical application
Atropin was used as an early pharamaceutical.It even has it roots
already in the Egyptian time.
It already in the year 1852 the active pharmaceutical ingredient
appears in the medicamentarius Hamburgensis codex.one of the first
applications of atropine was for asthma ambulation in form of
injections or astma-cigarettes.
Thes therapies were stopped later because of their adverse effects.
Today,atropine is mostley used in the emergenymedicine and as well
topic in the eye medicine (medicamentic Mydriasis)
4.contamination
As a contamination sign ,the skin turns red, Mydriasis,tachycardia,,
confusions and for parts, even halluzinations.
By intaking of letalic dosage it can comes to insensibility and
respiratory paralysis.

Source http://flexikon.doccheck.com/Atropin

in high dosage atropine owns an emetic effect at the central nervous
system with narcotical paralysis which can turns into coma and
apnoea.
Atropine ist used as a medical,but even as a ritualistic active
substance and known since centuries and is still used today in the
medical application, for example as a narcotic ambulation, for asthma
or even as a alexipharmic agent for contaminations and overdosages.
For the eye medicine in form of eyedrops or crèmes with 0,5%- max.
1% of concentration.
The letalic dosage for adults (oral application) is round about 100mg.
It is an antidote alexipharmic agent for contamination with
Thiophosphoraccidstar ( example E 605) and even Muscarin- and
Pilocarpin contamination.
Antidote to atropine is Physiostigminsalicylat (Anticholium).
Interactions
Atropin + Morphine/Opiate: Concecution ist he deceleration of the
heart frequency which can be perilous
Regurgitation kann turn with insensibility asphyxia.
Atopin with other medicals :like above to dramatic effect amplifying
an come strictly to death.

Source http://www.suchtzentrum.de/dru…..ropin.html

so,now for that we known of what we are talking about the second
theory:
Beloved Michael Jackson would to/should to/had to disappear of not
for us knowing claims.
Dr. murray helped him and gave him the application, which was
appointed before, of atropine.
After taking atart of the effect ,murray started a heavy alert in the
house, for that the employees belive the cardiac arrest.cause in right
dosages u can pretend like someone is dead.u fell almost no pulse or
breath.
His beloved bodyguard calls then (calmed,because why beeing
excited….)the ambulane car.the paramedics confirm his death while
reaching his death when they arrived…(this is even what the have to
think…)
DR murray insist not to certificate our beloved Michaels death (he
even cant do it,because it isn’t…)and takes care that the paramedics
don’t cobble on Michael- the reason for no further cpr, …cant even
be….
At the ucla there is for sure one doctor dedicated to this hoax and
taking care to get a silent nice room for Michael in which they
applicate the Physiostigminsalicylat the alexipharmic agent.
Than they put him into this white sack,and brought him into the heli
(thats why we have so many peoples in the heli backround-for
sure,doesn’t make sence for a corpse.
We even see in the video a likely real body.
Okay,starting to take off,during this Michael starts fell a bit better
(that is the moving body sequence in the video)
During this time,they replace the sacks…thats why it looks so flat
later on in the video when they carry the white sack out of the heli
into the van of the forensic medicine ….to flat and to light for this
sack.
Nobody is paying anymore attention to the helicopter.the heli takes
off and flys with the awakening Michael and dr. murray on board to
somewhere.
Michael gets a bit nursed….(i wish i could do that….aaa…)cause
atropine is a contaminaton of the body.after three days hes over it and
dr. murray comes back into public.
Miochaels beloved bodyguard alberto alvarez stays at Michaels side.
Nothing can happen to dr. murray, cause he even hadn’t done
anything .
So noone can be judged.
And even remember,the announcement switched between the death
or /and a coma.
Then the coma thing makes sense,for this short while when Michael
was narcotic by atropine
These three days were enough to guide Michael to a safe place,even
out of the usa.we don’t say our idea were we guess he is.cause this is
not the answer of the WHY and WHAT.
And how we all now already,a dead body has to get out from the
house by a car of a mortician and u don’t fly a corpse around with a
heli as well.thats the law,even for vips.this makes even sences to a not
signed certificate,a not buried Michael and for sure,not even a picture
of Michael in a casket.
Almost the most stuff and ideas fit in this theory.
We don’t have anything what is real when it comes to dr. murray and
his life.
The ltest infos just showed up cause we were all sceptic about him
and who he was. And now the even announced that he didnt live in
michaels manson.
Even when im into another theory of freemansons and illuminatis,the
picture what we found about murray as a freemanson(freemansons
are even like the illuminatis as well,cause the got underground by
them)we made a good photoshopped thing(thanks to petra) from an
unknown freemanson and put murrays head on it.that girl is great in
photoshop and u see not at all,that this is a montage.
......"
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Re: Interesting read from MJHD....

  • on: February 23, 2010, 04:27:11 PM
Quote from: "Grace"
This lady tries very hard but unfortunately is taking some aspects of the story as facts that were distributed by media and debunked already as being false. She is starting with the timeline as we were fed by media. Her complete theory construction is built on this timeline and "hear-say" utterances of some so said "close sources". We discussed all that in detail in the early days and debunked her basics as contradicting and unproven. So her theory is built on fog.

Furthermore, we have seen with our own eyes what was made available for them to see.
And what was made for our eyes to see shows clearly that Michael is not only alive but the master behind the curtain.
If he was in danger or captivity, the family would have reacted differently. The "official" occasions would have unfolded differently. And we would not have had the pleasure to be confronted with so much humour all the way long.
If someone else but Michael would be behind, there would be all kind of coincidences and knots but not that much humour.

So: not believable, not based on facts and not even logic in its development this story.


I'm totally with you!
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Re: Interesting read from MJHD....

  • on: February 23, 2010, 04:44:00 PM
You have to really read all of it from #18 all the way down. This is pretty interesting.  Still reading it. :lol:
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Re: Interesting read from MJHD....

  • on: February 28, 2010, 08:28:51 AM
That woman seems very unstable.  

I'm new over here - but people here seem to be open minded and pleasant... It doesn't get nasty here like that Carmen person is, does it??
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Re: Interesting read from MJHD....

  • on: February 28, 2010, 04:17:26 PM
I read the post all the way down the page this Carmen person is insane and stupid and extremely hostile towards marine -wife responding to Carmen posts . 1st ,she spell Propofol wrong {may be I did too ,but I  don't claim to be a genus } She spells Tohme wrong then claims that she knew the proper spelling {spelled it wrong & different again }that she spelled it wrong again "on purpose " to "show her disrespect "  for Tohme and claimed the same reason she spelled propofol wrong was" to show her disrespect for the drug"  :roll:  :lol: pleassssssssssse give me a break . And cherry on top is that she was quoting Michaelangelo and said that he painted "the 16th Chapel "  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol: It is the Sistine Chapel  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol: This person is about as crazy as a loon and stupid to boot ! She seems to base almost her whole theory on the notion that Latoya said Mj was still warm , as we all know {or should } Latoya has proved herself to be an unreliable source of info.I guess it could be true ,he was still warm{ could have applied  a heating blanket or something ,who knows } Or she 's lying ,I m sure she has her reason {attention } Carmen also says MJ owned his own private jet ...... Really ?  :? Not that I know of { I could be wrong } Why would anyone that has access to Mj Death certificate ,present it to Latoya to sign ,knowing full well that her signature is useless ? That have to know {  I knew this ,My Sis is a Dr.} wouldn't the people fresenting the death certificate to Latoya know this as well ????? If it dose not make sense ,it is because it is not true !  8-) There are lots of other stupid notions this loon has ,but I don't think I should waste any more time on this individual that said "I never even heard a MJ song till JUne 27 th ?????? ......  :o small remote villages in Africa know who MJ is .... I have a 3 yr old nephew that knows who MJ is . :lol:
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Re: Interesting read from MJHD....

  • on: February 28, 2010, 04:45:22 PM
I've read two of her posts and I think they're really interesting!! She seems to know alot!!
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Re: Interesting read from MJHD....

  • on: February 28, 2010, 05:32:01 PM
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I've read two of her posts and I think they're really interesting!! She seems to know alot!!
                                                                                                                                                                                                               She seems to know a lot ? OK, she thinks the Sistine chapel is pronounced    16th Chapel and you conclude she knows A LOT ?? okie dokie  :roll:  :lol:
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Re: Interesting read from MJHD....

  • on: February 28, 2010, 05:48:20 PM
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Quote from: "Kirsche"
I've read two of her posts and I think they're really interesting!! She seems to know alot!!
                                                                                                                                                                                                               She seems to know a lot ? OK, she thinks the Sistine chapel is pronounced    16th Chapel and you conclude she knows A LOT ?? okie dokie  :roll:  :lol:

um I mean about AEG and Murray, but okay...  :roll:
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Re: Interesting read from MJHD....

  • on: February 28, 2010, 06:02:44 PM
Quote from: "badkolo"
this is bull, michaels estate has the catalog and no one else.

Exactly!!! That theory has too many holes and things are not adding up. Dr. Murray, why you didn't see any information on him before MJ's death? When you would click on Conrad Murray's name in IMDB (before the update) it would redirect you to MJ's Wikipedia. I did read that Dr. Murray wanted a 1million dollars a month, but they paid him $150,000. But they said the paperwork of the contract for Dr. Murray wasn't finished. So he didn't get paid.  All I know Dr. Murray is getting paid, cause how can he afford a dream team.
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Re: Interesting read from MJHD....

  • on: February 28, 2010, 07:26:30 PM
I have always thought this is about the money. I think enough investigation has been completed to determine a possible hoax. But the motivation and whose behind it won't be clear until we determine who benefits the most from a hoax and/or death. She makes an interesting point about AEG not having to pay MJ $500M. They also did not profit that much from the movie. I have always been creeped out when I see the video of Thome following the body as Michael is placed on the helicopter. He also stands eerily right next to Jermaine as he reads his statement. Isn't he also an in law of Jermaine's?  He also gave $5M to the estate right after Michael's death. Was that payment for the family not creating any problems? Also, the J5 said on Larry King a couple of months ago that Latoya was premature in saying Michael was killed.

If you're doing good investigation, you never totally discount anyone. I think she's right on with focusing on the money....that will tell us the rest of the story. Just an fyi - the money trail is how most criminals are caught...
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Re: Interesting read from MJHD....

  • on: March 01, 2010, 07:34:17 AM
I agree to a degree.  But if you want anyone to learn and listen to your ideas, hostility and name calling and ugliness is not the way to go.  If you truly care about a case, you have to be open to ideas as well as showing some class.  It's hard to believe a raging lunatic.  Once someone turns into a lunatic, the possibilities of trusting them or listening to them are out the window.  IMO
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Re: Interesting read from MJHD....

  • on: March 01, 2010, 03:31:55 PM
She has added more to the article forum since then.
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Re: Interesting read from MJHD....

  • on: March 01, 2010, 03:53:47 PM
Yeah, like accusing everyone under the sun that posts that they've either kidnapped MJ or had something to do with it - or has put his life in danger.  Nut job  :D .

I'm glad ya'll are nice people  :mrgreen:
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Re: Interesting read from MJHD....

  • on: March 01, 2010, 04:09:43 PM
Oh yes! It is good to be nice.

I have to say that all the name calling is definitely indeed uncalled for and it really does help any and definitely not help get anything solved going back and forth with the name calling and backbiting.
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Re: Interesting read from MJHD....

  • on: March 01, 2010, 09:04:13 PM
One day when I was searching for info on Conrad Murray, I came upon that site.  :ugeek: WOW was all i could say and every time I check back in there to see if anyone has any new info, it is still tthe same with that Carmen person. I have seen a couple of people that had interesting points, but Carmen yelled at them and belittled them because they didn't agree. You guys here seem much easier to share info with and opinions are accepted. Good to see that there are true MJ fans out there that are looking for the real truth :P
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Re: Interesting read from MJHD....

  • on: March 07, 2010, 10:53:51 AM
Definitely.  I don't post here often, but have been lurking for some time now.  I finally joined and continue to read new posts daily.  These people are definitely nice and very informative.  I wish I could contribute to the conversations, but I don't have nearly has much info as these guys... so I'm just here to learn from them.  If I have a question... I definitely know where to go.   :D

edited - grammar
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