Dirty Diana

  • 181 Replies
  • 9131 Views

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

mykidsmum

  • *
  • Guest
    • Show only replies by mykidsmum

Dirty Diana

  • on: February 24, 2010, 10:11:05 PM
Hi everyone, I know lots of people won't agree with me and MJ himself said that this song is about certain types of fans, but I believe this song is about Diana Ross.
was doing some hunting online today and came across a woman named Antoinette Holmes (google her name to see her story) she was one of the presidents of the first J5 fan club and often baby sat the group.  It was at a hotel when she was babysitting that a 10 year old MJ confided in her that he was having sex with his older "girlfriend"  This woman said the person was a huge celebrity and she didn't name her...I think we all know who it was... (for what it is worth, I give Diana credit, I don't think she was sleeping with a 10 year old, but I think little Mike just wanted to seem cool about the LOVE of his life) any way, I found many things about their relationship...that MJ and Diana were supposed to get married when MJ was 18 but Diana pulled out of that.  There is a new biography out about Diana.  It says that Diana basically slept her way to the top.  We all know Diana had an affair with Barry Gordy and many others in the line.  There is a rumour that Diana didn't go to MJ's funeral because she and MJ's mother are in a feud.  I think Katherine is mad at her from getting involved with MJ at such a young age.  Any way, stay with me...here are they lyrics and I will tell you how they fit Diana:

You'll never make me stay
So take your weight off of me
I know your every move
So won't you just let me be
this song is written around the time that MJ was hurt that Diana didn't stick to the plan to get married when MJ turned 18 and he is still upset about it and wants to leave, he knows her every move now, how she contrives to make him believe that he is the one
I've been here times before
he's been with her and in the position he is in with her many times, the position of believing the things she says
But I was to blind to see
That you seduce every man
he now can see how she has slept with many men and worked her way up, she managed seducing MJ too at a young age, not saying it was sexual but she got his affections
This time you won't seduce me
He's realized now that she has seduced him in the past and this time is aware of it and isn't going to allow it to happen this time

She's saying that's ok
Hey baby do what you please
this is a great section of the song...this is Diana's reaction to his anger about how she led him along, she is saying, no big deal, say and do what you want, I don't care but...
I have the stuff the you want
I am the thing that you need
we all know how MJ formed a bond with Diana early on to a point where he was in love with her and really needed her, she was someone who was giving him the affection and love he needed and craved

She looked me deep in the eyes
She's touchin' me so to start
She says there's no turnin' back
they have already gone too far, they are too into each other and there is no going back to how things used to be or that she isn't going back or turning back to the promise she made him, she has gone beyond that silly promise that MJ took so seriously and thought would happen
She trapped me in her heart
this is so expressive of MJ and says so much.  She trapped MJ in her heart.  Meaning that at an early age MJ was devoted to her and was unable to look at anyone else and really was looking forward to being 18.  He was "TRAPPED" by her and this song arises out of resentment that he wasted his time and years on something that wasn't going to be

Dirty Diana, nah
Dirty Diana, nah
Dirty Diana, no
Dirty Diana
Let me be!
you crossed me, you didn't keep your word, i wasted my life loving you, why did you do this to me...just leave me alone in my pain...let me be!  let me get over you!

Oh no...
Oh no...
Oh no...

She likes the boys in the band
She knows when they come to town
Every musician's fan after the
curtain comes down
She waits at backstage doors
For those who have prestige
Who promise fortune and fame
A life that's so carefree
now this is the section that people say is definitely about a groupie, but, take it like this...MJ realized that she sleeps around, she likes musicians who can further her career.  she knows and waits for the ones who have prestige and promise what she wants...she stabbed the supremes in the back to get to the top as well, MJ is finally becoming aware of what she does, I think that it is with age and growing up that he sees these things now and has no problem degrading her, throwing it in her face that this is all she really is, just this person who screws around to get to the top and I think he spits this out at her to hurt her.

She's says that's ok
Hey baby do what you want
I'll be your night lovin' thing
I'll be the freak you can taunt
And I don't care what you say
I want to go too far
I'll be your everything
If you make me a star
here, I don't think this is what she is saying to MJ...I think this relates to the above verse.  I think this is what she is saying to the men who can get her to the top. MJ is giving us a narrative of what he has learned about her I think he is mocking her and telling her what he knows about her... The verse "i want to go to far" could mean far as in career wise...
Dirty Diana, nah
Dirty Diana, nah
Dirty Diana, no
Dirty Diana...
Dirty Diana, nah
Dirty Diana, nah
Dirty Diana, nah
Dirty Diana, no
Dirty Diana...
Diana!
Diana!
Dirty Diana!
It's Dia...aa...aa...ana!

She said I have to go home
'Cause I'me real tired you see
this verse shows it's the end of the argument, the confrontation, there is nothing more to argue about, she is not apologizing and everyone is just tired...she needs to go home.
But I hate sleppin' alone
Why don't you come with me
now despite everything that went on in the above, the broken promise of a future, MJ finding out she used him and seduced him into loving her, his realization that she slept around...she doesn't want to let go and wants to keep things how they are...she is discounting MJ's feelings

I said my baby's at home
now, baby doesn't have to mean a girlfriend.  Everyone knows that MJ lived at home until he was almost 30.  The song wanna be starting something is about his sister LaToya and the problems she was having with her brother's wives, in the song he calls her his baby.  The sisters played girlfriends of the brothers in the Jacksons comedy show they did and I think LaToya even played a love interest of MJ in a video (say say say i think) so it's no secret to make his song marketable for the public and fans, he's not gonna say my sister or my mother...LOL!
She's probably worried tonight
this could me LaToya, they had a very close relationship, or it could be his mother.
I didn't call on the phone to
Say that I'm alright

Diana walked up to me,
She said I'm all yours tonight
again, she sees that MJ isn't playing her game anymore and she is in danger of losing him so like lots of women who are about to get the boot, they try to hold on.
At that I ran to the phone
he ran because he want's to get out of the situation he still loves her and knows it will be so easy for her to say something to get him back so he runs before her words get to him and he caves and goes with her
Sayin' baby I'm alright
I said but unlock the door.
Because I forgot the key.
She said he's not coming back
Because he's sleeping with me
now, this could mean a few things...If Kate didn't know about the extent of the relationship between Diana and MJ and MJ has decided this is the end, Diana is grasping at straws and takes this opportune moment to say...oh yeah...I'm gonna tell your mother our little secret!  Also it is rumored that Kate was jealous of the time that MJ lived with MJ and never got over the fact that MJ turned to Diana instead of her.  Kate saw Diana as a replacement mother figure and here Diana is finally spilling the beans and saying..."oh yeah, you thought it was a mother son relationship...ha ha...he's sleeping with me, he's not coming back home to you to cry.  She sees that he is serious and he's not gonna accept a casual relationship and wants it to end...The realization makes her spill their secret.  Also, MJ has spoken about how relationships and things that happen in them are not spoken about in his family and that he would be so embarassed to even have his mother at his wedding.  I see this also as a last jab, she embarasses MJ...
This is just like a typical break up scene... The one being accused of sleeping around plays it off...no big deal...ok, your upset, lets go home now and things will be better in the morning...what? your not coming back?  Fine!  Do whatever you want, see if I care...but I can take care of you tonight, we can cuddle and ...Fine...you don't want me anymore...F-you!  Hey!  MOM!  Your little boy here...he's not so little...ha ha ha...now go home to mommy!  (that was my version of Dirty Diana in a nutshell...LOL)

Ok guys, that is why I think the song is about Diana...LOL  enjoy.


« Last Edit: February 24, 2010, 10:54:01 PM by mykidsmum »

Offline CrazyBanana

  • *
  • Hoaxer
  • Posts: 745
    • Show only replies by CrazyBanana

Re: Why Dirty Diana is Diana Ross

  • on: February 24, 2010, 10:29:53 PM
hmmm, wow!
a lot to take in lol! MJ saying he ha sex at 10! im sorry but when I was 10 I didnt know what sex is, well maybe im a lil slow but wow lol
ok so do you think he was talking about diana ross in the tapes of his phone calls with Glenda or who ever, he says something about giving Diana money and stuff, and I think he says something about he knew she did something, like she cheateded on him or something
I always thought the Diana from those tapes was dirty diana but did not think at all it could be Diana ross...
but wouldnt you think that would be the stop of their relationship? he did state he was in love with her in a magazine interview.
btw, I really enjoy your posts! the rare video of MJ that you posted has got to be my fav. the one where he calls Randy ugly LOL! and the clown photos! thanks a lot 4 those, what els.... I could go on  and on! Thanks a lot 4 all your efforts and all your posts! I love them ! <3
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

mykidsmum

  • *
  • Guest
    • Show only replies by mykidsmum

Re: Why Dirty Diana is Diana Ross

  • on: February 24, 2010, 10:45:36 PM
Quote from: "CrazyBanana"
hmmm, wow!
a lot to take in lol! MJ saying he ha sex at 10! im sorry but when I was 10 I didnt know what sex is, well maybe im a lil slow but wow lol
ok so do you think he was talking about diana ross in the tapes of his phone calls with Glenda or who ever, he says something about giving Diana money and stuff, and I think he says something about he knew she did something, like she cheateded on him or something
I always thought the Diana from those tapes was dirty diana but did not think at all it could be Diana ross...
but wouldnt you think that would be the stop of their relationship? he did state he was in love with her in a magazine interview.
btw, I really enjoy your posts! the rare video of MJ that you posted has got to be my fav. the one where he calls Randy ugly LOL! and the clown photos! thanks a lot 4 those, what els.... I could go on  and on! Thanks a lot 4 all your efforts and all your posts! I love them ! <3
aww thanks, I just hope you were never on the end of one of my tirades...LOL!  Any way, I don't believe that MJ had sex at 10, I was only quoting what one woman said that he said.  I think he was just trying to be a big shot but I do believe he loved Diana at age 10.  I have no doubt that something happend between them before he turned 18.  I still think he loves her...I don't think he ever stopped, but I think this song was written in anger of the realization that she wasn't the pure lady he thought she was and the promise of marrying him when he turned 18 was just a silly dream.  As for the Glenda tapes...Please, don't believe them.  I know that they show a side to MJ that few have seen but I will tell you, that is NOT MJ.  Fans want it to be MJ so bad.  I will tell you one thing you can listen to to confirm that it is not MJ...in the tapes, "MJ" starts telling Glenda about his schedule of all the places he has to be...These are all places MJ has been many many if not HUNDREDS of times before.  These are all names of places even I have heard of...In the tapes...he can't even say the names and has to spell them...not only that but there is a part where "MJ" SPEAKS a line from his song and tells glenda he will make her a tape...he attepts a few quiet shy bars of the song and then thats when he says, "I'll make you a tape of some songs."  Everyone knows MJ was not afraid to sing here and there...there is a tape of him in his home singing with the kids doing a puzzle, a tape of him walking and singing and greeting fans...he always goes into song.  There is a tape of him singing to Elizabeth on the phone and siging another BeGees song with his friend Bret Ratner...That is what he does...he doesn't sing on the tape because the person trying to pretend to be MJ can't sing...Please, there are other things too, but don't believe the tapes...Read the Rabbi book, there is more juicy stuff in there than on those dumb glenda tapes.  Thanks again for what you said about my posts.  I'm always looking for neat things. Here is a couple for you...a real tape of MJ's voice and a cute other one I found...
[youtube:3oslymfb]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=au7JBDOPkC4&feature=related[/youtube:3oslymfb]
[youtube:3oslymfb]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UH3AVtzJvv8&feature=related[/youtube:3oslymfb]
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline wilds

  • *
  • Hoaxer
  • Posts: 198
    • Show only replies by wilds
    • http://myspace.com/carlaforjesus

Re: Why Dirty Diana is Diana Ross

  • on: February 24, 2010, 10:57:20 PM
I kinda believe it! I was talking with a fan on youtube who worked for motown back in the day and they told me all kind of stuff about Diana Ross - detailed juicyness. She was very "career oriented". She did indeed love Mikey but she was a bit self absorbed. I LOVE Diana Ross and was shocked to hear some of this stuff but then again, we are all human and have our flaws. And I don't believe Michael was actually having sex at 10 either, he was exposed to a lot of things a child shouldn't be exposed to because he was out there on the road with his father and older brothers who were doing their thing - if ya know what I mean. This is all still shocking to me though!
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »


mykidsmum

  • *
  • Guest
    • Show only replies by mykidsmum

Re: Why Dirty Diana is Diana Ross

  • on: February 24, 2010, 11:07:18 PM
Quote from: "wilds"
I kinda believe it! I was talking with a fan on youtube who worked for motown back in the day and they told me all kind of stuff about Diana Ross - detailed juicyness. She was very "career oriented". She did indeed love Mikey but she was a bit self absorbed. I LOVE Diana Ross and was shocked to hear some of this stuff but then again, we are all human and have our flaws. And I don't believe Michael was actually having sex at 10 either, he was exposed to a lot of things a child shouldn't be exposed to because he was out there on the road with his father and older brothers who were doing their thing - if ya know what I mean. This is all still shocking to me though!
ooh...anything on Diana and MJ?  What can you spill about Diana?  I still lover her no matter what too.
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline CrazyBanana

  • *
  • Hoaxer
  • Posts: 745
    • Show only replies by CrazyBanana

Re: Why Dirty Diana is Diana Ross

  • on: February 24, 2010, 11:21:22 PM
Thanks a lot! the first vid is kinda sad :(
and the glenda tapes, I thought they were fake when I first heard them, but ppl started saying MJ put them out there blah blah blah and then i though the only ones i could hear were him and the transcripts are fake..
I should always go with what my hearts tells me !
and what i thought was weird is a lot of what he said he also said in the book so anyone could have made that!
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline wilds

  • *
  • Hoaxer
  • Posts: 198
    • Show only replies by wilds
    • http://myspace.com/carlaforjesus

Re: Why Dirty Diana is Diana Ross

  • on: February 24, 2010, 11:34:44 PM
Quote from: "mykidsmum"
Quote from: "wilds"
I kinda believe it! I was talking with a fan on youtube who worked for motown back in the day and they told me all kind of stuff about Diana Ross - detailed juicyness. She was very "career oriented". She did indeed love Mikey but she was a bit self absorbed. I LOVE Diana Ross and was shocked to hear some of this stuff but then again, we are all human and have our flaws. And I don't believe Michael was actually having sex at 10 either, he was exposed to a lot of things a child shouldn't be exposed to because he was out there on the road with his father and older brothers who were doing their thing - if ya know what I mean. This is all still shocking to me though!
ooh...anything on Diana and MJ?  What can you spill about Diana?  I still lover her no matter what too.
I'm going to pm you one of the messages I recieved from my friend because it is raw LOL! I don't want to place it here in the public forum. Anyone else who wants to read it can pm me.
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »


mykidsmum

  • *
  • Guest
    • Show only replies by mykidsmum

Re: Why Dirty Diana is Diana Ross

  • on: February 24, 2010, 11:41:05 PM
Quote from: "wilds"
Quote from: "mykidsmum"
Quote from: "wilds"
I kinda believe it! I was talking with a fan on youtube who worked for motown back in the day and they told me all kind of stuff about Diana Ross - detailed juicyness. She was very "career oriented". She did indeed love Mikey but she was a bit self absorbed. I LOVE Diana Ross and was shocked to hear some of this stuff but then again, we are all human and have our flaws. And I don't believe Michael was actually having sex at 10 either, he was exposed to a lot of things a child shouldn't be exposed to because he was out there on the road with his father and older brothers who were doing their thing - if ya know what I mean. This is all still shocking to me though!
ooh...anything on Diana and MJ?  What can you spill about Diana?  I still lover her no matter what too.
I'm going to pm you one of the messages I recieved from my friend because it is raw LOL! I don't want to place it here in the public forum. Anyone else who wants to read it can pm me.
ohh...i have a message!  I just noticed!  LOL  BRB!
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline PinkTopaz

  • *
  • Hoaxer
  • Posts: 1013
    • Show only replies by PinkTopaz

Re: Why Dirty Diana is Diana Ross

  • on: February 25, 2010, 12:08:08 AM
Quote from: "mykidsmum"
Quote from: "CrazyBanana"
hmmm, wow!
a lot to take in lol! MJ saying he ha sex at 10! im sorry but when I was 10 I didnt know what sex is, well maybe im a lil slow but wow lol
ok so do you think he was talking about diana ross in the tapes of his phone calls with Glenda or who ever, he says something about giving Diana money and stuff, and I think he says something about he knew she did something, like she cheateded on him or something
I always thought the Diana from those tapes was dirty diana but did not think at all it could be Diana ross...
but wouldnt you think that would be the stop of their relationship? he did state he was in love with her in a magazine interview.
btw, I really enjoy your posts! the rare video of MJ that you posted has got to be my fav. the one where he calls Randy ugly LOL! and the clown photos! thanks a lot 4 those, what els.... I could go on  and on! Thanks a lot 4 all your efforts and all your posts! I love them ! <3
aww thanks, I just hope you were never on the end of one of my tirades...LOL!  Any way, I don't believe that MJ had sex at 10, I was only quoting what one woman said that he said.  I think he was just trying to be a big shot but I do believe he loved Diana at age 10.  I have no doubt that something happend between them before he turned 18.  I still think he loves her...I don't think he ever stopped, but I think this song was written in anger of the realization that she wasn't the pure lady he thought she was and the promise of marrying him when he turned 18 was just a silly dream.  As for the Glenda tapes...Please, don't believe them.  I know that they show a side to MJ that few have seen but I will tell you, that is NOT MJ.  Fans want it to be MJ so bad.  I will tell you one thing you can listen to to confirm that it is not MJ...in the tapes, "MJ" starts telling Glenda about his schedule of all the places he has to be...These are all places MJ has been many many if not HUNDREDS of times before.  These are all names of places even I have heard of...In the tapes...he can't even say the names and has to spell them...not only that but there is a part where "MJ" SPEAKS a line from his song and tells glenda he will make her a tape...he attepts a few quiet shy bars of the song and then thats when he says, "I'll make you a tape of some songs."  Everyone knows MJ was not afraid to sing here and there...there is a tape of him in his home singing with the kids doing a puzzle, a tape of him walking and singing and greeting fans...he always goes into song.  There is a tape of him singing to Elizabeth on the phone and siging another BeGees song with his friend Bret Ratner...That is what he does...he doesn't sing on the tape because the person trying to pretend to be MJ can't sing...Please, there are other things too, but don't believe the tapes...Read the Rabbi book, there is more juicy stuff in there than on those dumb glenda tapes.  Thanks again for what you said about my posts.  I'm always looking for neat things. Here is a couple for you...a real tape of MJ's voice and a cute other one I found...
[youtube:3eahk17v]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=au7JBDOPkC4&feature=related[/youtube:3eahk17v]
[youtube:3eahk17v]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UH3AVtzJvv8&feature=related[/youtube:3eahk17v]
I disagree, I believe the Glenda tapes are really him. I know opinions vary on this but most fans I've seen know that it's him and it's not by any means only the silly ones. They've been out since 2005, I've seen discussions on them from then on the KOP board- I think they had something to do with the trial..

Anyhoo, OMG, MKM, that's what I always thought! If it were about groupies it could've been ANY chick name like Dirty Jen or Dirty Dee-Dee or even Dirty Kandy- but it's DIANA! Moment I saw that title when I first became a fan I was like "coincidence I think not", LOL. The fans that argue it isn't- do they honestly believe MJ would go on national TV or something and say "Oh yeah, 'Dirty Diana' is Diana Ross"? Hell no he wouldn't, they're crazy! Your breakdown of the lyrics made complete sense, good work! I agree that she is one of the loves of his life, I bet he still has feelings deep down somewhere this very moment..! I love his little 10-year old attitude telling that lady that he's getting it on.. Haha, already a playah at age 10..!
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline virgo75

  • *
  • Hoaxer
  • Posts: 514
    • Show only replies by virgo75

Re: Why Dirty Diana is Diana Ross

  • on: February 25, 2010, 12:21:56 AM
GREAT breakdown of the lyrics MKM!

I kinda thought it could be about Diana before, but I also wondered about the "groupie" aspect of it.  Because even though I know he's witnessed the groupie scene since he was a baby, he seemed to be more compassionate about them.  Like he felt bad for them knowing that they were just gonna be used.  Dirty Diana sounds more like someone he's angry with.

Like you, I also never believed that those "tapes" were him.
Sure there were rumors about it being from the trials, but where is the proof?
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline GirlSaturday

  • *
  • Hoaxer
  • Posts: 1020
    • Show only replies by GirlSaturday

Re: Why Dirty Diana is Diana Ross

  • on: February 25, 2010, 09:41:13 AM
Great breakdown of the lyrics. I have always believed that Miss Ross popped his cherry. I don't think that it happened when he was a kid but when he was a young adult as they worked together on the Wiz. They filmed the movie in New York and it was the first time that he was away from the family too. There are  photos  showing them together during that time hanging out all of the time and partying together. Over the years there have been  several public appearances where Michael looked absolutely lovestruck while in her presence. He didn't look at her like she was just  a friend or big sister. There is a special way that a man looks at a woman that he loves and is intimate with.  Plus it has long been discussed how Miss Ross slept her way to the top. She probably jumped at the chance to teach  Michael Jackson,  Lucky bitch... :lol:
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline doreentbird

  • *
  • Hoaxer
  • Posts: 358
    • Show only replies by doreentbird

Re: Why Dirty Diana is Diana Ross

  • on: February 25, 2010, 10:25:29 AM
This actually makes alot of sense..hmm...

That brings me to his will..why the hell would he trust this woman with taking care of his kids???She hasn't said jack sh..t either since all this happened.

Damn...Michael getting it on at 10? Anything is possible. Especially since him and his brothers were exposed to all that sexuality in the strip joints.
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline Nakiska

  • *
  • Hoaxer
  • Posts: 90
    • Show only replies by Nakiska

Re: Why Dirty Diana is Diana Ross

  • on: February 25, 2010, 12:06:49 PM
First of all, great post.  :D
Second, the glenda tapes are real imo. They were used for the trial. There is no way that it isnt Michael's voice.
Glenda's husband recorded them without their persmission cause he thought they were having an affair. In those tapes Michael clearly says that it took him YEARS to get over Diana and that she left him so crazy in love, but the commitment of their relationship was a fantasy of his, meaning that she didnt want any commitment and he wanted. There is a time when he says to Glenda: ''I know for a fact that she was fooling around''. That would explain the anger in the song's lirycs.
Also I've heard many peolple saying that when Diana got married she asked Michael to lead her to the church and Michael got PISSED OFF and didnt attended the wedding lol
Thirs, it is soooo obvious in some videos the love he feels for her. Its heartbreaking really.
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

mykidsmum

  • *
  • Guest
    • Show only replies by mykidsmum

Re: Why Dirty Diana is Diana Ross

  • on: February 25, 2010, 12:36:23 PM
Quote from: "Nakiska"
First of all, great post.  :D
Second, the glenda tapes are real imo. They were used for the trial. There is no way that it isnt Michael's voice.
Glenda's husband recorded them without their persmission cause he thought they were having an affair. In those tapes Michael clearly says that it took him YEARS to get over Diana and that she left him so crazy in love, but the commitment of their relationship was a fantasy of his, meaning that she didnt want any commitment and he wanted. There is a time when he says to Glenda: ''I know for a fact that she was fooling around''. That would explain the anger in the song's lirycs.
Also I've heard many peolple saying that when Diana got married she asked Michael to lead her to the church and Michael got PISSED OFF and didnt attended the wedding lol
Thirs, it is soooo obvious in some videos the love he feels for her. Its heartbreaking really.
Nakiska, thanks for your view...they were not played at the trial.  A fan played them OUTSIDE of the courthouse on a boom box.  Please believe me when I tell you these tapes are not MIchael Jackson.  I have nothing against what is in the tapes, no objection, he said more private things in the Rabbi tapes and book, more sexual things and revealing things and I love those tapes and book but I am just telling you, those are NOT MJ.  I may not know everything but this I know.  Also, everyone...I found an interview that is so amazing...enjoy
[youtube:g4875ymi]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkOxbSsRmbM&NR=1&feature=fvwp[/youtube:g4875ymi]
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline Nakiska

  • *
  • Hoaxer
  • Posts: 90
    • Show only replies by Nakiska

Re: Why Dirty Diana is Diana Ross

  • on: February 25, 2010, 03:56:44 PM
oh, ok  :)
But can you tell me why are you so sure it is not him?
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline liegi

  • *
  • Hoaxer
  • Posts: 640
    • Show only replies by liegi

Re: Why Dirty Diana is Diana Ross

  • on: February 25, 2010, 04:09:53 PM
I'm from Detroit originally.  When I was doing my student teaching at Cass Tech in 1983, I met Diana Ross's English teacher!!!  He said that she was a good student, but that she was interested in music,music, music.  For her to have been at Cass Tech meant that she was a serious student (it was and still is, Detroit's premier public high school).  And she was really into her music.
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline alovesmichael

  • *
  • Hoaxer
  • Posts: 903
    • Show only replies by alovesmichael

Re: Why Dirty Diana is Diana Ross

  • on: February 25, 2010, 04:23:57 PM
Interesting... I like your breakdown of the lyrics and it might be very possible. We know Michael was hurt by Diana, have ya'll seen his facial expression at the AMA's? Heartbreaking  :(  I think it was in 1985, video's on YT. He also says it took him hell of a long time to get over Diana on the Glenda tapes (if they're real i.e.). As someone said above it might very well be about groupies but there's so much feeling (or a bit of anger even) in this song and I don't think groupies angered Michael. He seemes more like, compassionate with them, like that story about him telling a fan not to go with Jackie after a show... About the tapes, I've been in contact with MJ fans that have been researching Michael's life for almost 40 years and they say the tapes are real some of them actually own all the tapes! Of course I don't have to believe them but I see no reason to lie since I was the one approaching them. I'm not saying for sure they're real but neither can I be sure they're fake. Michael probably did not have sex at the age of 10 but he probably knew more about it than normal 10 year olds considering the life he lived (groupies around his brother, his dad, show biz etc.)

Btw I LOVE that song and when he does it live - *hyperventilating* then *faints* hot hot hot!  :lol:  :lol:
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline VeryLittleSusie

  • *
  • Hoaxer
  • Posts: 1483
    • Show only replies by VeryLittleSusie
    • My pages

Re: Why Dirty Diana is Diana Ross

  • on: February 25, 2010, 05:32:09 PM
She's says that's ok
Hey baby do what you want
I'll be your night lovin' thing
I'll be the freak you can taunt
And I don't care what you say
I want to go too far
I'll be your everything
If you make me a star
here, I don't think this is what she is saying to MJ...I think this relates to the above verse. I think this is what she is saying to the men who can get her to the top. MJ is giving us a narrative of what he has learned about her I think he is mocking her and telling her what he knows about her... The verse "i want to go to far" could mean far as in career wise...


Actually I think this may refer to Diana! Once she realised Michael became powerful, more popular than anybody else on this earth, she might have come back to him with a wish of him makig her a star! Remember the song "Muscles"? Michael wrote it for her! It was supposed to revive her solo career.... God only knows what she might have offered him for that... Hee hee...
I also thought in the past that this song might have referred to groupies, but this verse of making sb a star... Groupies don't usually want to be stars... You've opened my eyes on it... And the choice of the name Diana is significant. If it wasn't about her, if she was an "angel" - he wouldn't probably like to hurt her with these lyrics... Unless, this was a little revenge... ;)
Hmmm... Michael always wrote songs about situations from his personal life...
I'd love to have him sit and tell about each of his songs. Piece by piece, line by line...!!! :D
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »
Please, click "I Like It" on my Facebook page if you like my drawings :) http://www.facebook.com/artbozenawojtas
 

Offline GirlSaturday

  • *
  • Hoaxer
  • Posts: 1020
    • Show only replies by GirlSaturday

Re: Why Dirty Diana is Diana Ross

  • on: February 25, 2010, 05:40:42 PM
The choice of that name is what triggered me to think it was about Miss Ross. He could have easily used Denise, Donna, Delilah or any other name starting with a "D". Her marriage to Arne  Naes struck a nerve with MJ. The song may have been a little revenge on his part. I am not mad at him for it either.  One dirty deed deserves another. :lol:

Quote from: "VeryLittleSusie"
She's says that's ok
Hey baby do what you want
I'll be your night lovin' thing
I'll be the freak you can taunt
And I don't care what you say
I want to go too far
I'll be your everything
If you make me a star
here, I don't think this is what she is saying to MJ...I think this relates to the above verse. I think this is what she is saying to the men who can get her to the top. MJ is giving us a narrative of what he has learned about her I think he is mocking her and telling her what he knows about her... The verse "i want to go to far" could mean far as in career wise...


Actually I think this may refer to Diana! Once she realised Michael became powerful, more popular than anybody else on this earth, she might have come back to him with a wish of him makig her a star! Remember the song "Muscles"? Michael wrote it for her! It was supposed to revive her solo career.... God only knows what she might have offered him for that... Hee hee...
I also thought in the past that this song might have referred to groupies, but this verse of making sb a star... Groupies don't usually want to be stars... You've opened my eyes on it... And the choice of the name Diana is significant. If it wasn't about her, if she was an "angel" - he wouldn't probably like to hurt her with these lyrics... Unless, this was a little revenge... ;)
Hmmm... Michael always wrote songs about situations from his personal life...
I'd love to have him sit and tell about each of his songs. Piece by piece, line by line...!!! :D
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline alovesmichael

  • *
  • Hoaxer
  • Posts: 903
    • Show only replies by alovesmichael

Re: Why Dirty Diana is Diana Ross

  • on: February 25, 2010, 06:24:17 PM
Quote
Michael always wrote songs about situations from his personal life...
I'd love to have him sit and tell about each of his songs. Piece by piece, line by line...!!!

Oh me too! Wouldn't that just be so so lovely!  :D
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline Nathalia

  • *
  • Hoaxer
  • Posts: 340
    • Show only replies by Nathalia

Re: Why Dirty Diana is Diana Ross

  • on: February 25, 2010, 07:54:42 PM
I just want to know how anyone in their right mind could break his heart like that.
I mean come on, he's such a beautiful person inside and out..
how could you turn that down?!
 :?
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

mykidsmum

  • *
  • Guest
    • Show only replies by mykidsmum

Re: Why Dirty Diana is Diana Ross

  • on: February 25, 2010, 08:38:08 PM
since I posted this, this topic has been on my mind constantly and I have been going about my day thinking of things under this light.  This is what I came to realize...  I honestly think MJ never ever got over Diana.  I think this infatuation and love he had for her was much bigger than any of us thought or even wondered about and is quite possibly the root of all his loneliness and agony.  I red somewhere on line that MJ dedicated Remember The Time to Diana Ross.  I started there and went and listened to it again.  I felt like I was hearing the song again for the first time!  I was going to the store, riding in my car, thinking, thinking...I remembered reading on a blog little tributes MJ paid to Diana in his career.  One of them was from the video...Who Is It.  In this video when the "call girl" knocks on MJ's door, the butler tosses her all of her business cards with all her different aliases that MJ found.  One of the shots is a card with the name "Diana."  Thinking of this I listened to the song again and was astounded to realize poor MJ never ever got over Diana and even this song was about her.  Let me show you...

I Gave Her Money
i'm not sure if MJ ever gave Diana money, but he did give her a couple of songs for free, this made her some money, and also, she was his manager/producer for a while but MJ didn't like that situation and ended that, so that could be the meaning behind I gave her money.
I Gave Her Time
I Gave Her Everything
Inside One Heart Could Find
I Gave Her Passion
My Very Soul
I Gave Her Promises
And Secrets So Untold
this verse is self explanatory.  MJ said in various interviews that he shared secrets with Diana, they both shared them with each other

And She Promised Me Forever
And A Day We'd Live As One
We Made Our Vows
We'd Live A Life Anewagain, this goes back to the promise that Diana made to MJ about getting married when he turned 18.  I'm sure he promised him as a boy not really being serious, just playing with him, but I'm sure Michael took it very seriously
And She Promised Me In Secret
That She'd Love Me For All Time
it's no secret they spent lots of alone time together
It's A Promise So Untrue
Tell Me What Will I Do?

And It Doesn't Seem To Matter
And It Doesn't Seem Right
'Cause The Will Has Brought
No Fortune
Still I Cry Alone At Night
Don't You Judge Of My Composure
'Cause I'm Lying To Myself
to all of us he seems composed and no one would think this is bothering him, even to the point where he is fooling himself about how much this bothers him
And The Reason Why She Left Me
Did She Find In Someone Else?
it's no secret she married Arnie Nass...
(Who Is It?)
It Is A Friend Of Mineat one time it was Barry Gordy
(Who Is It?)
Is It My Brother!I hope she never had a fling with another Jackson!
(Who Is It?)
Somebody Hurt My Soul, Now
(Who Is It?)
I Can't Take This Stuff No More
obviously this isn't the first time Diana has put him in this situation

I Am The Damned
I Am The Dead
I Am The Agony Inside
The Dying Head
This Is Injustice
Woe Unto Thee
I Pray This Punishment
Would Have Mercy On Me

And She Promised Me Forever
That We'd Live Our Life As One
We Made Our Vows
We'd Live A Love So True
It Seems That She Has Left Me
For Such Reasons Unexplained
I Need To Find The Truth
But See What Will I Do!

And It Doesn't Seem To Matter
And It Doesn't Seem Right
'Cause The Will Has Brought
No Fortune
this line was difficult for me to decipher until it hit me...rumor has it that Diana married Arnie nass for his fortune...she was struggling at the time (it has been said) so with that in mind, I see Michael as using  the word will as representing her career...it has not brought you your fortune that you had counted on, like how some people count on wills, so you turned to desperate measures and this could be the reason Michael is looking for...it doesn't seem right...it's not right marrying someone for money, and it doesn't seem to matter....but it doesn't seem to matter to you that what you are doing isn't right. Meanwhile...
Still I Cry Alone At Night
Don't You Judge Of My Composure
'Cause I'm Bothered Everyday
And She Didn't Leave A Letter
it's been said that Diana married Arnie and Michel didn't find out until he was invited to the wedding, which he didn't go to.  People have said that he was upset that Diana never introduced him or made it a point to tell him about Arnie...she didn't even write a letter
She Just Up And Ran Away

(Who Is It?)
It Is A Friend Of Mine
(Who Is It?)
Is It My Brother?
(Who Is It?)
Somebody Hurt My Soul, Now
(Who Is It?)
I Can't Take It 'Cause I'm Lonely

(Who Is It?)
It Is Friend Of Mine
(Who Is It?)
To Me I'm Bothered
(Who Is It?)
Somebody Hurt My Soul, Now
(Who Is It?)
I Can't Take It 'Cause I'm Lonely

And It Doesn't Seem To Matter
And It Doesn't Seen Right
'Cause The Will Has Brought
No Fortune
Still I Cry Alone At Night
Don't You Judge Of My Composure
'Cause I'm Lying To Myself
And The Reason Why She Left Me
Did She Find Someone Else?

And It Doesn't Seem To Matter
And It Doesn't Seem Right
'Cause The Will Has Brought
No Fortune
Still I Cry Alone At Night
Don't You Judge Of My Composure
'Cause I'm Bothered Everyday
And She Didn't Leave A Letter
She Just Up And Ran Away

And It Doesn't Seem To Matter
And It Doesn't Seem Right
'Cause The Will Has Brought
No Fortune
Still I Cry Alone At Night
Don't You Judge Of My Composure
'Cause I'm Lying To Myself
And The Reason Why She Left Me
Did She Find Someone Else?

And It Doesn't Seem To Matter
And It Doesn't Seem Right
'Cause The Will Has Brought
No Fortune
Still I Cry Alone At Night
Don't You Judge Of My Composure
'Cause I'm Bothered Everyday
And She Didn't Leave A Letter
She Just Up And Ran Away

And It Doesn't Seem To Matter
And It Doesn't Seem Right
'Cause The Will Has Brought
No Fortune
Still I Cry Alone At Night
Don't You Judge Of My Composure
'Cause I'm Bothered Everyday
And She Didn't Leave A Letter
She Just Up And Ran Away

And It Doesn't Seem To Matter
And It Doesn't Seem Right
'Cause The Will Has Brought
No Fortune
Still I Cry Alone At Night
Don't You Judge Of My Composure
'Cause I'm Lying To Myself
And The Reason Why She Left Me
Did She Find Someone Else?
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline GirlSaturday

  • *
  • Hoaxer
  • Posts: 1020
    • Show only replies by GirlSaturday

Re: Why Dirty Diana is Diana Ross

  • on: February 25, 2010, 08:58:43 PM
Deep. Now you have me scratching my head and wondering about this song. Technically it could still apply to MJ ...who's heart was broken after their failed romance. For decades , I had heard that a marriage promise was made to him and that the promise would be fulfilled when he turned 18.

BTW- did you read Moonwalker and the way that MJ described his relationship with Miss Ross? Bear in mind, these are his words that are used in the book and not some 2nd or 3rd hand source. He used quite a few adjectives to describe what she was to him including the word "lover" . My best friend is a man and we love one another like brother and sister. He would not use the word "lover" to describe what I am to him.  :lol:

Quote from: "mykidsmum"
since I posted this, this topic has been on my mind constantly and I have been going about my day thinking of things under this light.  This is what I came to realize...  I honestly think MJ never ever got over Diana.  I think this infatuation and love he had for her was much bigger than any of us thought or even wondered about and is quite possibly the root of all his loneliness and agony.  I red somewhere on line that MJ dedicated Remember The Time to Diana Ross.  I started there and went and listened to it again.  I felt like I was hearing the song again for the first time!  I was going to the store, riding in my car, thinking, thinking...I remembered reading on a blog little tributes MJ paid to Diana in his career.  One of them was from the video...Who Is It.  In this video when the "call girl" knocks on MJ's door, the butler tosses her all of her business cards with all her different aliases that MJ found.  One of the shots is a card with the name "Diana."  Thinking of this I listened to the song again and was astounded to realize poor MJ never ever got over Diana and even this song was about her.  Let me show you...

I Gave Her Money
i'm not sure if MJ ever gave Diana money, but he did give her a couple of songs for free, this made her some money, and also, she was his manager/producer for a while but MJ didn't like that situation and ended that, so that could be the meaning behind I gave her money.
I Gave Her Time
I Gave Her Everything
Inside One Heart Could Find
I Gave Her Passion
My Very Soul
I Gave Her Promises
And Secrets So Untold
this verse is self explanatory.  MJ said in various interviews that he shared secrets with Diana, they both shared them with each other

And She Promised Me Forever
And A Day We'd Live As One
We Made Our Vows
We'd Live A Life Anewagain, this goes back to the promise that Diana made to MJ about getting married when he turned 18.  I'm sure he promised him as a boy not really being serious, just playing with him, but I'm sure Michael took it very seriously
And She Promised Me In Secret
That She'd Love Me For All Time
it's no secret they spent lots of alone time together
It's A Promise So Untrue
Tell Me What Will I Do?

And It Doesn't Seem To Matter
And It Doesn't Seem Right
'Cause The Will Has Brought
No Fortune
Still I Cry Alone At Night
Don't You Judge Of My Composure
'Cause I'm Lying To Myself
to all of us he seems composed and no one would think this is bothering him, even to the point where he is fooling himself about how much this bothers him
And The Reason Why She Left Me
Did She Find In Someone Else?
it's no secret she married Arnie Nass...
(Who Is It?)
It Is A Friend Of Mineat one time it was Barry Gordy
(Who Is It?)
Is It My Brother!I hope she never had a fling with another Jackson!
(Who Is It?)
Somebody Hurt My Soul, Now
(Who Is It?)
I Can't Take This Stuff No More
obviously this isn't the first time Diana has put him in this situation

I Am The Damned
I Am The Dead
I Am The Agony Inside
The Dying Head
This Is Injustice
Woe Unto Thee
I Pray This Punishment
Would Have Mercy On Me

And She Promised Me Forever
That We'd Live Our Life As One
We Made Our Vows
We'd Live A Love So True
It Seems That She Has Left Me
For Such Reasons Unexplained
I Need To Find The Truth
But See What Will I Do!

And It Doesn't Seem To Matter
And It Doesn't Seem Right
'Cause The Will Has Brought
No Fortune
this line was difficult for me to decipher until it hit me...rumor has it that Diana married Arnie nass for his fortune...she was struggling at the time (it has been said) so with that in mind, I see Michael as using  the word will as representing her career...it has not brought you your fortune that you had counted on, like how some people count on wills, so you turned to desperate measures and this could be the reason Michael is looking for...it doesn't seem right...it's not right marrying someone for money, and it doesn't seem to matter....but it doesn't seem to matter to you that what you are doing isn't right. Meanwhile...
Still I Cry Alone At Night
Don't You Judge Of My Composure
'Cause I'm Bothered Everyday
And She Didn't Leave A Letter
it's been said that Diana married Arnie and Michel didn't find out until he was invited to the wedding, which he didn't go to.  People have said that he was upset that Diana never introduced him or made it a point to tell him about Arnie...she didn't even write a letter
She Just Up And Ran Away

(Who Is It?)
It Is A Friend Of Mine
(Who Is It?)
Is It My Brother?
(Who Is It?)
Somebody Hurt My Soul, Now
(Who Is It?)
I Can't Take It 'Cause I'm Lonely

(Who Is It?)
It Is Friend Of Mine
(Who Is It?)
To Me I'm Bothered
(Who Is It?)
Somebody Hurt My Soul, Now
(Who Is It?)
I Can't Take It 'Cause I'm Lonely

And It Doesn't Seem To Matter
And It Doesn't Seen Right
'Cause The Will Has Brought
No Fortune
Still I Cry Alone At Night
Don't You Judge Of My Composure
'Cause I'm Lying To Myself
And The Reason Why She Left Me
Did She Find Someone Else?

And It Doesn't Seem To Matter
And It Doesn't Seem Right
'Cause The Will Has Brought
No Fortune
Still I Cry Alone At Night
Don't You Judge Of My Composure
'Cause I'm Bothered Everyday
And She Didn't Leave A Letter
She Just Up And Ran Away

And It Doesn't Seem To Matter
And It Doesn't Seem Right
'Cause The Will Has Brought
No Fortune
Still I Cry Alone At Night
Don't You Judge Of My Composure
'Cause I'm Lying To Myself
And The Reason Why She Left Me
Did She Find Someone Else?

And It Doesn't Seem To Matter
And It Doesn't Seem Right
'Cause The Will Has Brought
No Fortune
Still I Cry Alone At Night
Don't You Judge Of My Composure
'Cause I'm Bothered Everyday
And She Didn't Leave A Letter
She Just Up And Ran Away

And It Doesn't Seem To Matter
And It Doesn't Seem Right
'Cause The Will Has Brought
No Fortune
Still I Cry Alone At Night
Don't You Judge Of My Composure
'Cause I'm Bothered Everyday
And She Didn't Leave A Letter
She Just Up And Ran Away

And It Doesn't Seem To Matter
And It Doesn't Seem Right
'Cause The Will Has Brought
No Fortune
Still I Cry Alone At Night
Don't You Judge Of My Composure
'Cause I'm Lying To Myself
And The Reason Why She Left Me
Did She Find Someone Else?
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline CrazyBanana

  • *
  • Hoaxer
  • Posts: 745
    • Show only replies by CrazyBanana

Re: Why Dirty Diana is Diana Ross

  • on: February 25, 2010, 09:11:16 PM
This makes waaaaaaay more sense then what I thought it was about! I thought it was about LMP because I never really heared it just kinda listenrd! OMG!! what if she really did sleep with a jackson! It could br jermaine since he slept around a lot! LOL JK!!!
btw I was singing who is it b4 I read ur post ! I really scare myself sometimes LOL!
thanks <3
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

mykidsmum

  • *
  • Guest
    • Show only replies by mykidsmum

Re: Why Dirty Diana is Diana Ross

  • on: February 25, 2010, 09:14:29 PM
Quote from: "CrazyBanana"
This makes waaaaaaay more sense then what I thought it was about! I thought it was about LMP because I never really heared it just kinda listenrd! OMG!! what if she really did sleep with a jackson! It could br jermaine since he slept around a lot! LOL JK!!!
btw I was singing who is it b4 I read ur post ! I really scare myself sometimes LOL!
thanks <3
Boo!  LOL....I scare myself sometimes too!  LOL about your Jermaine comment... I love the guy I have to admit, I love them all, but what you said is true and FUNNY!  LOL  That is exactly who I thought when I heard that line!!!!  LOL! :lol:  Just wanted to add that this song was written before MJ and Lisa were a pair.
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline CrazyBanana

  • *
  • Hoaxer
  • Posts: 745
    • Show only replies by CrazyBanana

Re: Why Dirty Diana is Diana Ross

  • on: February 25, 2010, 09:22:57 PM
Quote from: "mykidsmum"
Quote from: "CrazyBanana"
This makes waaaaaaay more sense then what I thought it was about! I thought it was about LMP because I never really heared it just kinda listenrd! OMG!! what if she really did sleep with a jackson! It could br jermaine since he slept around a lot! LOL JK!!!
btw I was singing who is it b4 I read ur post ! I really scare myself sometimes LOL!
thanks <3
Boo!  LOL....I scare myself sometimes too!  LOL about your Jermaine comment... I love the guy I have to admit, I love them all, but what you said is true and FUNNY!  LOL  That is exactly who I thought when I heard that line!!!!  LOL! :lol:  Just wanted to add that this song was written before MJ and Lisa were a pair.
LOL im an idiot then... and I do love Jermaine ! hez my fav MJ bro.. He is very popular in the middle east so he is the only one I knew much about b4 june! and Latoya is my fav sister.. I dont know why ppl hate them.. the got character! I think theyre great!
and about Jermain! LOL I think hez past that phase ! I hope he and Halima have a great life <3
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline wilds

  • *
  • Hoaxer
  • Posts: 198
    • Show only replies by wilds
    • http://myspace.com/carlaforjesus

Re: Why Dirty Diana is Diana Ross

  • on: February 25, 2010, 09:41:47 PM
Quote
Thinking of this I listened to the song again and was astounded to realize poor MJ never ever got over Diana and even this song was about her.

Oh no, I had a feeling he was still in love with her but the thought of that was so sad I kinda dismissed it. I really think you've uncovered the truth about Diana and Michael. And yes it would explain why he was always saying he was so lonely - the one he loved didn't want him. This is heart breaking  :cry:
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »


Offline PinkTopaz

  • *
  • Hoaxer
  • Posts: 1013
    • Show only replies by PinkTopaz

Re: Why Dirty Diana is Diana Ross

  • on: February 25, 2010, 09:45:21 PM
Quote from: "GirlSaturday"
Great breakdown of the lyrics. I have always believed that Miss Ross popped his cherry. I don't think that it happened when he was a kid but when he was a young adult as they worked together on the Wiz. They filmed the movie in New York and it was the first time that he was away from the family too. There are  photos  showing them together during that time hanging out all of the time and partying together. Over the years there have been  several public appearances where Michael looked absolutely lovestruck while in her presence. He didn't look at her like she was just  a friend or big sister. There is a special way that a man looks at a woman that he loves and is intimate with.  Plus it has long been discussed how Miss Ross slept her way to the top. She probably jumped at the chance to teach  Michael Jackson,  Lucky bitch... :lol:
Bold sentence: Me too, it just makes so much sense! I agree that the way he looks at her is so intense, especially in the OTW era, they have this special sparkle.. He probably secretly feels like they belong together, sweet dear..
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline GirlSaturday

  • *
  • Hoaxer
  • Posts: 1020
    • Show only replies by GirlSaturday

Re: Why Dirty Diana is Diana Ross

  • on: February 25, 2010, 09:48:41 PM
Plus let's not forget who is willed to care for the children if something happens to Mrs. Jackson. Michael was apparently determined that one way or another Diana Ross would be the mother of his children.
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline CrazyBanana

  • *
  • Hoaxer
  • Posts: 745
    • Show only replies by CrazyBanana

Re: Why Dirty Diana is Diana Ross

  • on: February 25, 2010, 09:50:04 PM
Quote from: "GirlSaturday"
Plus let's not forget who is willed to care for the children if something happens to Mrs. Jackson. Michael was apparently determined that one way or another Diana Ross would be the mother of his children.
OMJ!! and poor naive me thinking it was because she was a mother figure to him!
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline GirlSaturday

  • *
  • Hoaxer
  • Posts: 1020
    • Show only replies by GirlSaturday

Re: Why Dirty Diana is Diana Ross

  • on: February 25, 2010, 09:55:59 PM
She has demonstrated herself to be a good mother figure. Despite what anyone feels about her she can be credited with raising 5 seemingly normal children. There were no stories about rebellion, drugs, or other things that fall on the kids of celebrities. Each of her children seem to be living their lives drama free and out of the glare of the tabloids.

Quote from: "CrazyBanana"
Quote from: "GirlSaturday"
Plus let's not forget who is willed to care for the children if something happens to Mrs. Jackson. Michael was apparently determined that one way or another Diana Ross would be the mother of his children.
OMJ!! and poor naive me thinking it was because she was a mother figure to him!
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline PinkTopaz

  • *
  • Hoaxer
  • Posts: 1013
    • Show only replies by PinkTopaz

Re: Why Dirty Diana is Diana Ross

  • on: February 25, 2010, 09:58:20 PM
Quote from: "GirlSaturday"
Plus let's not forget who is willed to care for the children if something happens to Mrs. Jackson. Michael was apparently determined that one way or another Diana Ross would be the mother of his children.
O_O  !  Oh yeah.. your brain is sharper than mine!
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline hesouttamylife

  • *
  • Hoaxer
  • Posts: 5393
    • Show only replies by hesouttamylife

Re: Why Dirty Diana is Diana Ross

  • on: February 25, 2010, 10:34:11 PM
totally agreed.  I've always thought it was about Ms. Ross.  I even think that some of her lyrics in a few of her songs were directed at him.  She was is and always will be the diva.  That's for sure.
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »
"Don't stop this child, He's the father of man
Don't cross his way, He's part of the plan
I am that child, but so are you
You've just forgotten, Just lost the clue.”

MJ "Magical Child"
Still Rocking my World…
   and leaving me Speechless!

“True goodbyes are the ones never said

Offline msteetee34

  • *
  • Hoaxer
  • Posts: 1234
    • Show only replies by msteetee34

Re: Why Dirty Diana is Diana Ross

  • on: February 25, 2010, 11:43:02 PM
I actually remember some girls making comments about this song when it came out.  They were like oooh did you guys hear that new Michael Jackson song where he's dissing Diana Ross?  So I think some people have speculated that this song might refer to Ms. Ross. I think her and MJ did have a little fling back in the day.  I even saw footage of them flirting playfully with each other.  She said I never thought you would grow up to be so sexy.  Then MJ kinda blushed and giggled.  Then he was like don't you guys think she's sexy? to the audience.  That doesn't seem like a mother son type relationship to me.  I think Diana puts some moves on him.  As far as him being 10 talking about sex I doubt that.  I think he was probably just thinking about candy at that time.  He was way too young for that.  I also saw a video on youtube where Diana Ross is performing and she sits on MJ's lap and he was loving every minute of it.  Princess Stephanie was sitting next to him and she look so pissed because I think she may have been his date for that night or something.  Anyway I wish pesonally that he would have stayed with Stephanie Mills whom he dated back in the 70's.  She was in love with him and she said she wanted to marry him.  She would even wash his clothes and cook for him back in the day.  I think they would have been so good together as a couple.
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »


Offline city.gal1

  • *
  • Hoaxer
  • Posts: 59
    • Show only replies by city.gal1

Re: Why Dirty Diana is Diana Ross

  • on: February 26, 2010, 01:24:39 PM
MKM, really good thoughts on the lyrics -- never thought about them in this fashion. Thanks for your insight.
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

mykidsmum

  • *
  • Guest
    • Show only replies by mykidsmum

Re: Why Dirty Diana is Diana Ross

  • on: February 26, 2010, 09:53:23 PM
Quote from: "hesouttamylife"
totally agreed.  I've always thought it was about Ms. Ross.  I even think that some of her lyrics in a few of her songs were directed at him.  She was is and always will be the diva.  That's for sure.
oooh... can you post them?  I would love to see which ones you have in mind.  I am not familiar with too many of her songs so I would love to see the ones that you think...LOL
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline hesouttamylife

  • *
  • Hoaxer
  • Posts: 5393
    • Show only replies by hesouttamylife

Re: Why Dirty Diana is Diana Ross

  • on: February 26, 2010, 10:54:02 PM
Let's try this again

HERE'S ONE OF THEM.
[YouTube]http://www.youtube.com/watch#v=lu0IvWwTN2U&feature=related[/YouTube]
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »
"Don't stop this child, He's the father of man
Don't cross his way, He's part of the plan
I am that child, but so are you
You've just forgotten, Just lost the clue.”

MJ "Magical Child"
Still Rocking my World…
   and leaving me Speechless!

“True goodbyes are the ones never said

Offline Chamone

  • *
  • Hoaxer
  • Posts: 272
    • Show only replies by Chamone

Re: Why Dirty Diana is Diana Ross

  • on: February 27, 2010, 12:29:31 PM
Great work, MKM!

About the text in Who is it, when he asks 'Is it my brother?' he doesn't need to be talking about a sibling. Jehova's Witnesses call each other brother and sister all the time, as do a lot of black people. So 'is it my brother?' Could mean that it was someone close to him, but no per se a sibling.

I have always felt that Diana is the love of his life. The way he looks at her...wow. I would give up my arm for a man looking at me like that! And not just on one occasion, no, for years he has looked at her like that!
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »
"Before you judge me
Try hard to love me"


Offline doreentbird

  • *
  • Hoaxer
  • Posts: 358
    • Show only replies by doreentbird

Re: Why Dirty Diana is Diana Ross

  • on: February 27, 2010, 01:28:41 PM
Quote from: "hesouttamylife"
Let's try this again

HERE'S ONE OF THEM.
[YouTube]http://www.youtube.com/watch#v=lu0IvWwTN2U&feature=related[/YouTube]

wow what a performance that was, She has a beautiful voice. I know Michael loved her all these years, Why else would he trust her with his children?
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline hesouttamylife

  • *
  • Hoaxer
  • Posts: 5393
    • Show only replies by hesouttamylife

Re: Why Dirty Diana is Diana Ross

  • on: February 27, 2010, 01:49:11 PM
Diana Ross was soooooo beautiful in person.  Her skin was flawless.  Her concerts, wow, what can I say, amongst the best.  I can see how a young man would fall under her spell.  She had grown men crying.  Ms Ross, the Boss, was all that and a bag of chips.  If you never saw her in concert you missed an amazing,  enchanting experience.  Just like Michael, she gave you more than your money's worth.  Very, very talented and strong and sure of herself.
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »
"Don't stop this child, He's the father of man
Don't cross his way, He's part of the plan
I am that child, but so are you
You've just forgotten, Just lost the clue.”

MJ "Magical Child"
Still Rocking my World…
   and leaving me Speechless!

“True goodbyes are the ones never said

Offline Datroot

  • *
  • Hoaxer
  • Posts: 1314
    • Show only replies by Datroot

Re: Why Dirty Diana is Diana Ross

  • on: February 27, 2010, 01:56:13 PM
I wan't sure I believed it when I read he lost his virginity to her or 'she made a man of him', etc.  ISo much has been made of LMP being his first lover.
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »


I'M A LOVER, NOT A FIGHTER

mykidsmum

  • *
  • Guest
    • Show only replies by mykidsmum

Re: Why Dirty Diana is Diana Ross

  • on: February 27, 2010, 09:04:06 PM
Quote from: "Chamone"
Great work, MKM!

About the text in Who is it, when he asks 'Is it my brother?' he doesn't need to be talking about a sibling. Jehova's Witnesses call each other brother and sister all the time, as do a lot of black people. So 'is it my brother?' Could mean that it was someone close to him, but no per se a sibling.

I have always felt that Diana is the love of his life. The way he looks at her...wow. I would give up my arm for a man looking at me like that! And not just on one occasion, no, for years he has looked at her like that!
thanks for clarifying the brother thing, I thought of that possibility as well but decided to stick with the obvious.  (poor Jermaine...LOL)  Have you seen the footage from one of the Grammy shows where Dianna hugs Lionel Ritchie on stage and the look on MJ's face!  I could feel the jealousy and I was truly embarrassed for him!  He had to look away!  There is another one I saw where she hugs Quincy on stage (I think it was him or Barry) and he does the same thing!  I will look around and if I find them I will post them....If anyone does before me...please post!
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline misha86

  • *
  • Hoaxer
  • Posts: 508
    • Show only replies by misha86

Re: Why Dirty Diana is Diana Ross

  • on: February 27, 2010, 09:07:24 PM
this song is not about a women at all :lol: its about bad spirits...
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline Chamone

  • *
  • Hoaxer
  • Posts: 272
    • Show only replies by Chamone

Re: Why Dirty Diana is Diana Ross

  • on: February 27, 2010, 09:09:01 PM
Quote from: "mykidsmum"
Quote from: "Chamone"
Great work, MKM!

About the text in Who is it, when he asks 'Is it my brother?' he doesn't need to be talking about a sibling. Jehova's Witnesses call each other brother and sister all the time, as do a lot of black people. So 'is it my brother?' Could mean that it was someone close to him, but no per se a sibling.

I have always felt that Diana is the love of his life. The way he looks at her...wow. I would give up my arm for a man looking at me like that! And not just on one occasion, no, for years he has looked at her like that!
thanks for clarifying the brother thing, I thought of that possibility as well but decided to stick with the obvious.  (poor Jermaine...LOL)  Have you seen the footage from one of the Grammy shows where Dianna hugs Lionel Ritchie on stage and the look on MJ's face!  I could feel the jealousy and I was truly embarrassed for him!  He had to look away!  There is another one I saw where she hugs Quincy on stage (I think it was him or Barry) and he does the same thing!  I will look around and if I find them I will post them....If anyone does before me...please post!

Wowsers! I don't recall seeing that kind of footage! Please, do post them if you find them!
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »
"Before you judge me
Try hard to love me"


Offline hesouttamylife

  • *
  • Hoaxer
  • Posts: 5393
    • Show only replies by hesouttamylife

Re: Why Dirty Diana is Diana Ross

  • on: February 27, 2010, 09:29:22 PM
Muscles was written by Michael for Diana Ross - listen to the words, cute.
[YouTube]http://www.youtube.com/watch#v=SNa7kAl0t1Q&feature=related[/YouTube]
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »
"Don't stop this child, He's the father of man
Don't cross his way, He's part of the plan
I am that child, but so are you
You've just forgotten, Just lost the clue.”

MJ "Magical Child"
Still Rocking my World…
   and leaving me Speechless!

“True goodbyes are the ones never said

Venus7

  • *
  • Guest
    • Show only replies by Venus7

Re: Why Dirty Diana is Diana Ross

  • on: February 27, 2010, 09:46:15 PM
I agree, probably there was something between them. I think he loveed her and was hurt by her by marring other man.
After she relized that how much this  affected him, and how lonely he was Diana wrote one song to MJ without telling his name, but you can tell is about Michael....so sad...

[youtube:2g4c5yao]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kW91BM_oARs[/youtube:2g4c5yao]

Look in the mirror, who do you see
Where is the man that you used to be
When you turn off the world and turn down the lights
Do you ever wonder who you are tonight

I knew you then, I love you now
You can call me up when it gets you down
Behind the shades there's someone real
Behind your eyes I wonder how you feel

This is me talking to you
There's just one thing I'm asking you to do

You gotta drop the mask, be yourself
Drop the mask
Trust someone else

No one knows what you're going through
Whatever it is, I'll be there for you
If you drop the mask, be yourself
Drop the mask
Trust someone else

I was there when it all began
I still remember the boy within the man
I understand what it means to run and hide
There's so much that we're holding onto deep down inside

This is me talking to you
The only thing that I want you to do

You gotta drop the mask, be yourself
Drop the mask
Trust someone else

No one knows what you're going through
Whatever it is, I'll be there for you
When you drop the mask, be yourself
Drop the mask
Trust someone else

Drop the mask
Drop the mask
Let down your guard, open your heart
Unlose your chains, don't be afraid
Drop the mask
Be yourself
Be yourself
Trust someone else
You gotta drop the mask
Let down your guard, oh you gotta drop the mask
Trust someone else
You gotta drop the mask
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline Chamone

  • *
  • Hoaxer
  • Posts: 272
    • Show only replies by Chamone

Re: Why Dirty Diana is Diana Ross

  • on: February 27, 2010, 09:47:52 PM
Quote from: "Venus7"
I agree, probably there was something between them. I think he loveed her and was hurt by her by marring other man.
After she relized that how much this  affected him, and how lonely he was Diana wrote one song to MJ without telling his name, but you can tell is about Michael....so sad...

[youtube:1ow3mljf]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kW91BM_oARs[/youtube:1ow3mljf]

Look in the mirror, who do you see
Where is the man that you used to be
When you turn off the world and turn down the lights
Do you ever wonder who you are tonight

I knew you then, I love you now
You can call me up when it gets you down
Behind the shades there's someone real
Behind your eyes I wonder how you feel

This is me talking to you
There's just one thing I'm asking you to do

You gotta drop the mask, be yourself
Drop the mask
Trust someone else

No one knows what you're going through
Whatever it is, I'll be there for you
If you drop the mask, be yourself
Drop the mask
Trust someone else

I was there when it all began
I still remember the boy within the man
I understand what it means to run and hide
There's so much that we're holding onto deep down inside

This is me talking to you
The only thing that I want you to do

You gotta drop the mask, be yourself
Drop the mask
Trust someone else

No one knows what you're going through
Whatever it is, I'll be there for you
When you drop the mask, be yourself
Drop the mask
Trust someone else

Drop the mask
Drop the mask
Let down your guard, open your heart
Unlose your chains, don't be afraid
Drop the mask
Be yourself
Be yourself
Trust someone else
You gotta drop the mask
Let down your guard, oh you gotta drop the mask
Trust someone else
You gotta drop the mask

When did she write this song? And are you sure that she wrote it?
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »
"Before you judge me
Try hard to love me"


Venus7

  • *
  • Guest
    • Show only replies by Venus7

Re: Why Dirty Diana is Diana Ross

  • on: February 27, 2010, 09:52:13 PM
Quote from: "Chamone"
When did she write this song? And are you sure that she wrote it?

It was written by Tim Tickner, Christopher Ward, Diana Ross, realised in 1995
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline Chamone

  • *
  • Hoaxer
  • Posts: 272
    • Show only replies by Chamone

Re: Why Dirty Diana is Diana Ross

  • on: February 27, 2010, 10:00:22 PM
Quote from: "Venus7"
Quote from: "Chamone"
When did she write this song? And are you sure that she wrote it?

It was written by Tim Tickner, Christopher Ward, Diana Ross, realised in 1995
1995, after the first allegations. Maybe he was so hurt, he alienated himself from her. He was still married to LMP in 1995, so that also could be a reason for Diana to create and sing a song like this.
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »
"Before you judge me
Try hard to love me"


Offline hesouttamylife

  • *
  • Hoaxer
  • Posts: 5393
    • Show only replies by hesouttamylife

Re: Why Dirty Diana is Diana Ross

  • on: February 27, 2010, 10:06:47 PM
THANKS for posting that.  I could  not find it anywhere.
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »
"Don't stop this child, He's the father of man
Don't cross his way, He's part of the plan
I am that child, but so are you
You've just forgotten, Just lost the clue.”

MJ "Magical Child"
Still Rocking my World…
   and leaving me Speechless!

“True goodbyes are the ones never said

Offline hesouttamylife

  • *
  • Hoaxer
  • Posts: 5393
    • Show only replies by hesouttamylife

Re: Why Dirty Diana is Diana Ross

  • on: February 27, 2010, 10:12:10 PM
I think this is around the time that Michael and Diana became distant.  It is really ashame that their friendship seemed to drift after they had been so close over all those years.  How painful it must have been for both of them.  I wonder what really happened.  I thought they were inseparable.
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »
"Don't stop this child, He's the father of man
Don't cross his way, He's part of the plan
I am that child, but so are you
You've just forgotten, Just lost the clue.”

MJ "Magical Child"
Still Rocking my World…
   and leaving me Speechless!

“True goodbyes are the ones never said

Venus7

  • *
  • Guest
    • Show only replies by Venus7

Re: Why Dirty Diana is Diana Ross

  • on: February 27, 2010, 10:14:09 PM
You know what also interesting....Diana's son Evan looks little bit like MJ in 80-s. But of course is not MJ's son, he looks that way because of Diana's white husband. Evan is very handsome young man.
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline GirlSaturday

  • *
  • Hoaxer
  • Posts: 1020
    • Show only replies by GirlSaturday

Re: Why Dirty Diana is Diana Ross

  • on: February 27, 2010, 10:24:27 PM
WOW! That is d-e-e-p. Thanks for finding it.
It definitely answers some questions......


Quote from: "Venus7"
I agree, probably there was something between them. I think he loveed her and was hurt by her by marring other man.
After she relized that how much this  affected him, and how lonely he was Diana wrote one song to MJ without telling his name, but you can tell is about Michael....so sad...

[youtube:5dxbkyzv]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kW91BM_oARs[/youtube:5dxbkyzv]

Look in the mirror, who do you see
Where is the man that you used to be
When you turn off the world and turn down the lights
Do you ever wonder who you are tonight

I knew you then, I love you now
You can call me up when it gets you down
Behind the shades there's someone real
Behind your eyes I wonder how you feel

This is me talking to you
There's just one thing I'm asking you to do

You gotta drop the mask, be yourself
Drop the mask
Trust someone else

No one knows what you're going through
Whatever it is, I'll be there for you
If you drop the mask, be yourself
Drop the mask
Trust someone else

I was there when it all began
I still remember the boy within the man
I understand what it means to run and hide
There's so much that we're holding onto deep down inside

This is me talking to you
The only thing that I want you to do

You gotta drop the mask, be yourself
Drop the mask
Trust someone else

No one knows what you're going through
Whatever it is, I'll be there for you
When you drop the mask, be yourself
Drop the mask
Trust someone else

Drop the mask
Drop the mask
Let down your guard, open your heart
Unlose your chains, don't be afraid
Drop the mask
Be yourself
Be yourself
Trust someone else
You gotta drop the mask
Let down your guard, oh you gotta drop the mask
Trust someone else
You gotta drop the mask
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline GirlSaturday

  • *
  • Hoaxer
  • Posts: 1020
    • Show only replies by GirlSaturday

Re: Why Dirty Diana is Diana Ross

  • on: February 27, 2010, 10:35:54 PM
Yep...but there has always been the BIG question....

Evan looks like Arne Naes (sp?) but he also looks like.....

BTW - where is Diana's other son. Why are there no pics of him to be found.
Quote from: "Venus7"
You know what also interesting....Diana's son Evan looks little bit like MJ in 80-s. But of course is not MJ's son, he looks that way because of Diana's white husband. Evan is very handsome young man.
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Venus7

  • *
  • Guest
    • Show only replies by Venus7

Re: Why Dirty Diana is Diana Ross

  • on: February 27, 2010, 10:48:03 PM
Quote from: "GirlSaturday"
Yep...but there has always been the BIG question....

Evan looks like Arne Naes (sp?) but he also looks like.....

BTW - where is Diana's other son. Why are there no pics of him to be found.
Quote from: "Venus7"
You know what also interesting....Diana's son Evan looks little bit like MJ in 80-s. But of course is not MJ's son, he looks that way because of Diana's white husband. Evan is very handsome young man.

Yes, Evan looks little bit like MJ in 80's, but... he looks way a lot more like his mother. He has Diana's eyes, mouth.
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline CrazyBanana

  • *
  • Hoaxer
  • Posts: 745
    • Show only replies by CrazyBanana

Re: Why Dirty Diana is Diana Ross

  • on: February 28, 2010, 01:45:36 AM
Quote from: "Chamone"
Quote from: "mykidsmum"
Quote from: "Chamone"
Great work, MKM!

About the text in Who is it, when he asks 'Is it my brother?' he doesn't need to be talking about a sibling. Jehova's Witnesses call each other brother and sister all the time, as do a lot of black people. So 'is it my brother?' Could mean that it was someone close to him, but no per se a sibling.

I have always felt that Diana is the love of his life. The way he looks at her...wow. I would give up my arm for a man looking at me like that! And not just on one occasion, no, for years he has looked at her like that!
thanks for clarifying the brother thing, I thought of that possibility as well but decided to stick with the obvious.  (poor Jermaine...LOL)  Have you seen the footage from one of the Grammy shows where Dianna hugs Lionel Ritchie on stage and the look on MJ's face!  I could feel the jealousy and I was truly embarrassed for him!  He had to look away!  There is another one I saw where she hugs Quincy on stage (I think it was him or Barry) and he does the same thing!  I will look around and if I find them I will post them....If anyone does before me...please post!

Wowsers! I don't recall seeing that kind of footage! Please, do post them if you find them!
OOOOO!!! yes ppl if you find them post !!!! i'll look a lil more now
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline mollyfaithxo

  • *
  • Hoaxer
  • Posts: 140
    • Show only replies by mollyfaithxo

Re: Why Dirty Diana is Diana Ross

  • on: February 28, 2010, 11:53:14 AM
Oh wow.
Haha. Umm.
You're probably right!
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline alovesmichael

  • *
  • Hoaxer
  • Posts: 903
    • Show only replies by alovesmichael

Re: Why Dirty Diana is Diana Ross

  • on: February 28, 2010, 12:28:05 PM
Now that you've kind of analysed these lyrics both Michael's and Diana's it makes one listen to the songs in a complete different way. It kind of makes your heart ache a bit doesn't it?  :( Some of you wanted to see some footage from the award show where Michael looks clearly upset, poor baby  :cry: , so here's a part from the 1986 AMA's where it's just obvious:

[youtube:3scwag4p]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLcv9kMpV9s[/youtube:3scwag4p]
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline naomifury

  • *
  • Hoaxer
  • Posts: 98
    • Show only replies by naomifury

Re: Why Dirty Diana is Diana Ross

  • on: February 28, 2010, 12:29:57 PM
Quote from: "Venus7"
You know what also interesting....Diana's son Evan looks little bit like MJ in 80-s. But of course is not MJ's son, he looks that way because of Diana's white husband. Evan is very handsome young man.


Goodness! It's crazy how similar they look though...
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »
"You know that L.O.V.E. survives, so we can rock forever on."


"Just because it’s in print doesn’t mean it’s the gospel."

mykidsmum

  • *
  • Guest
    • Show only replies by mykidsmum

Re: Why Dirty Diana is Diana Ross

  • on: February 28, 2010, 10:41:58 PM
Quote from: "alovesmichael"
Now that you've kind of analysed these lyrics both Michael's and Diana's it makes one listen to the songs in a complete different way. It kind of makes your heart ache a bit doesn't it?  :( Some of you wanted to see some footage from the award show where Michael looks clearly upset, poor baby  :cry: , so here's a part from the 1986 AMA's where it's just obvious:

[youtube:38q9gopn]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLcv9kMpV9s[/youtube:38q9gopn]
this is one of the vids I was talking about...man, he was mad!  Have you ever in your life seen MJ give Diana Ross a ONE ARMED HUG like he did in that video?  NEVER BEFORE!  Their hugs last at least 15 seconds and always involve MJ wrapping his arms around her tight....He went home and wrote Dirty Diana!  LOL
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline CrazyBanana

  • *
  • Hoaxer
  • Posts: 745
    • Show only replies by CrazyBanana

Re: Why Dirty Diana is Diana Ross

  • on: February 28, 2010, 11:44:26 PM
Quote from: "mykidsmum"
Quote from: "alovesmichael"
Now that you've kind of analysed these lyrics both Michael's and Diana's it makes one listen to the songs in a complete different way. It kind of makes your heart ache a bit doesn't it?  :( Some of you wanted to see some footage from the award show where Michael looks clearly upset, poor baby  :cry: , so here's a part from the 1986 AMA's where it's just obvious:

[youtube:2gqudutd]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLcv9kMpV9s[/youtube:2gqudutd]
this is one of the vids I was talking about...man, he was mad!  Have you ever in your life seen MJ give Diana Ross a ONE ARMED HUG like he did in that video?  NEVER BEFORE!  Their hugs last at least 15 seconds and always involve MJ wrapping his arms around her tight....He went home and wrote Dirty Diana!  LOL
AWWWW!! MJ!! thats soo sad :(
I think he was still happy singing beside her though! I cant imagine how he felt !!!
Elizabeth Taylor is gorgeous!!!!! oh  I just love her!!!!! thanks 4 posting the vid alovesmichael <3
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline frogh777

  • *
  • Hoaxer
  • Posts: 711
    • Show only replies by frogh777

Re: Why Dirty Diana is Diana Ross

  • on: March 01, 2010, 03:49:31 PM
[youtube:aiiiozoz]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcluUfiJT6w[/youtube:aiiiozoz]
Just take ur time, And watch this video, its from 1996.He still loves her.
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline wilds

  • *
  • Hoaxer
  • Posts: 198
    • Show only replies by wilds
    • http://myspace.com/carlaforjesus

Re: Why Dirty Diana is Diana Ross

  • on: March 01, 2010, 08:01:38 PM
Quote from: "frogh777"
[youtube:3homqmf7]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcluUfiJT6w[/youtube:3homqmf7]
Just take ur time, And watch this video, its from 1996.He still loves her.

Whhheeew!!! That's one of my all time fav videos  :D  I've watched it so many times because I am blown away by the look in his eyes when he's watching Diana  :mrgreen:  :mrgreen:  :mrgreen:
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »


Offline CrazyBanana

  • *
  • Hoaxer
  • Posts: 745
    • Show only replies by CrazyBanana

Re: Why Dirty Diana is Diana Ross

  • on: March 01, 2010, 09:30:17 PM
Quote from: "wilds"
Quote from: "frogh777"
[youtube:1dckhxk9]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcluUfiJT6w[/youtube:1dckhxk9]
Just take ur time, And watch this video, its from 1996.He still loves her.

Whhheeew!!! That's one of my all time fav videos  :D  I've watched it so many times because I am blown away by the look in his eyes when he's watching Diana  :mrgreen:  :mrgreen:  :mrgreen:

SAME HERE!!! gosh he loves her a lot!!! and she looks good in this video <3
@frogh777 I love your sig. I love liz Taylor <3
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline frogh777

  • *
  • Hoaxer
  • Posts: 711
    • Show only replies by frogh777

Re: Why Dirty Diana is Diana Ross

  • on: March 02, 2010, 10:31:09 AM
Quote from: "CrazyBanana"
Quote from: "wilds"
Quote from: "frogh777"
[youtube:1woo6gko]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcluUfiJT6w[/youtube:1woo6gko]
Just take ur time, And watch this video, its from 1996.He still loves her.

Whhheeew!!! That's one of my all time fav videos  :D  I've watched it so many times because I am blown away by the look in his eyes when he's watching Diana  :mrgreen:  :mrgreen:  :mrgreen:

SAME HERE!!! gosh he loves her a lot!!! and she looks good in this video <3
@frogh777 I love your sig. I love liz Taylor <3
haha, Yeah, I LuuuVE LIZ and MM   ;)
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline alovesmichael

  • *
  • Hoaxer
  • Posts: 903
    • Show only replies by alovesmichael

Re: Why Dirty Diana is Diana Ross

  • on: March 02, 2010, 01:21:16 PM
Today was the first time ever that I cried listening to "Remember the times"... Many of michael's songs make me cry because you can tell he really means everything but after reading the posts on this thread I felt like I actually REALLY listened to it today. I've heard it was dedicated to Diana, not sure if it's true but it just gives it another depth. I wonder if most of Michael's songs were based on his real life, if so I would just give everything I own to hear about those stories! I admire him so much for his strength, imagine singing these songs over and over again, being reminded about the hurt  :cry:  I hope the songs were like meditation to him because I cry just listening to them and even without having experienced those things. Maybe I'm just overly sensitive  :lol:
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

mykidsmum

  • *
  • Guest
    • Show only replies by mykidsmum

Re: Why Dirty Diana is Diana Ross

  • on: March 02, 2010, 09:04:58 PM
I know that Wanna be Startin Something is about La Toya...La Toya is his Baby and it was written during a time when the brother's wives were giving her a hard time and always trying to start something in the family with her.  At one point she says in her book, she has a break down and has to be taken to the Dr.   I have heard that She's Out of My Life was for Tatum O'Neil, but I can't immagine that...  She said that herself in an interview.  Gone to Soon is for and about Ryan White.  Dom Sheldon...LOL we all know who that is for and about!  Tom Sneddon!
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline GirlSaturday

  • *
  • Hoaxer
  • Posts: 1020
    • Show only replies by GirlSaturday

Re: Why Dirty Diana is Diana Ross

  • on: March 02, 2010, 09:45:12 PM
There are so many Mj songs that may have a story behind their story. You cannot help but be curious as to which lucky ladies were the real subjects of these songs.

Quote from: "mykidsmum"
I know that Wanna be Startin Something is about La Toya...La Toya is his Baby and it was written during a time when the brother's wives were giving her a hard time and always trying to start something in the family with her.  At one point she says in her book, she has a break down and has to be taken to the Dr.   I have heard that She's Out of My Life was for Tatum O'Neil, but I can't immagine that...  She said that herself in an interview.  Gone to Soon is for and about Ryan White.  Dom Sheldon...LOL we all know who that is for and about!  Tom Sneddon!
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline GreenManMakeAChange

  • *
  • Hoaxer
  • Posts: 369
    • Show only replies by GreenManMakeAChange

Re: Why Dirty Diana is Diana Ross

  • on: March 03, 2010, 04:01:46 AM
Those are the best analysis's I have ever read for Who Is It and Dirty Diana, or possibly the only!!! It makes perfect sense that they are about Diana, they had chemistry for sure.  And both songs are in my top 5 mj songs, cause I love how intense they are.
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline Its her

  • *
  • Hoaxer
  • Posts: 1137
    • Show only replies by Its her

Re: Why Dirty Diana is Diana Ross

  • on: March 03, 2010, 09:42:15 PM
:) No offense, to any one, especially to all of you who so easily believe this as the truth, but it is no way in HELL true. Your immediate source is lying like a rug to sell her story. It is crap on crap. omg, his kids may be reading here.           :shock:  :shock:  :shock:      :shock:


I take exception to anyone dissing the great Lady, Diana Ross. How superior and catty you sound, so "knowledgable" about her sex life and how she bought her way to the top with it... Quit that. It's clearly not true that she hasn't enough just plain TALENT.
                                           :x
I take exception to putting her and Michael Jackson together in some dirty  :evil: story, of what amounts to child molestation!  :shock:  (YES, even if you qualified it and pretended to "take it back".)

I know your imagination just got the better of you in the OP, but, PULLEEEZe, save this kind of thing for the tabloids or maybe make some money writing novels. I mean NO harm, and I don't think you meant harm, either, but this is so dirty and defamatory, just FYI... :(  

You better not say MJ was doing Miss Ross at ANY point in his pure,  8-) chaste, DECENT, churchboy youth and actually, I really seriously DO meant up to age 32 at LEAST!!!!!  :!:

It is so obscene I feel sick. YUK....

Let me tell you about Diana Ross and just a couple of reasons Michael loves her to THIS HOUR:

Ms. Ross has always been one of the most openly affectionate and playful girls on the planet, and paid LOTS of loving attention to a little guy who was away from his mommy's embrace for great blocks of time, making a name for himself on Earth.

She's very classy, beautiful, even now, and FULL of personality and wit.

Michael had very good taste.  ;) He was just too young and innocent to GET it, that she was just a real nice lover--in a non-sexual, non-designing way. Haven't we ALL misunderstood someone's intentions, when we were that green?

It's not her fault and it's not a crime that he fell so hard for such a class act. It is a sacred thing for us to even be privy to this crush of his. Poor thing can't even keep his green-ness out of the public's nosey eyes...

BTW, WHO goes to a wedding with a secret rusty stake in their heart???!! Have some respect. :(  :(  The guy is wrecked and MUST save face. Sheeesh. It's not anger, it's DEATH to Love.

I know touchy-feely women like this---sort of like LOUD flowers,  who are so busy wafting joy around, they are oblivious to the affect it may be having on a teenage boy and his hormones and hungry heart. She would NEVER dream of teasing him or mean to be leading him on that way ON PURPOSE. Get your minds out of the gutter, PLEASE.  :roll:

There was NOTHING sexual or dirty about it!  :roll:  :x

It's called "love" and tender ATTENTION, something every boy LOVES to be the recipient of, even if they pretend to fight it, but, somehow, I don't think it occurred to MJ that it needed fighting. :lol:  :lol:  :D   He was unbelievably intelligent at even a very young age!

I would have hugged the daylights out of that sweetie-pie, myself, and covered him with some heart-nutritious kisses, EVERY time I could REACH him. :!:  :oops:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  

Man, you shocked me SO much.  :cry: EEWWW.

Secondly, Diana Ross was an excellent mom to her own children. When she was touring , she'd fly home every night to tuck her kids in bed tight, with kisses, as if love was :D a necessary nutrient for young growing hearts. [That is, if she couldn't just have packed them up and taken them with her!]


Don't you dare  

make his sweet, sweet, precious, puppy love crush on her and her PRIDE in simply KNOWING that handsome devil and fine inner man Mikey grew up to BE, as ANYTHING CREEPY!!!!!!!!!!!

Did ya ever think that maybe he just liked singing her name, after years in love with her?!  ;)  :D
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »
ONLY Believe...

Offline Willa

  • *
  • Hoaxer
  • Posts: 24
    • Show only replies by Willa

Re: Why Dirty Diana is Diana Ross

  • on: March 03, 2010, 11:43:10 PM
Hi there It's Her.  Your points are well taken.  I wonder if the song "Speechless" was about Diana Ross.  It would be appropriate if it were.  She is a terrific lady. :)
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline MSMJFANFOREVER

  • *
  • Hoaxer
  • Posts: 549
    • Show only replies by MSMJFANFOREVER

Re: Why Dirty Diana is Diana Ross

  • on: March 04, 2010, 12:35:36 AM
[youtube:2x95ui6m]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JpmWUIG7mJY[/youtube:2x95ui6m]

This video is quite "telling", as well.


OMG, they're is soooo much sexual tension there.  :)  Watch MJ, right after he and Diana kiss each other.  Watch how he is "studying her", while looking a bit awkward at the same time.  

THERE IS DEFINITELY A "HISTORY", BETWEEN THEM! I highly doubt that it was ALL in his mind.

I think she "put it ON him" and then gave him mixed signals (she seems like a "control freak", at times).  I'm not bashing Diana per se, merely offering another angle. I Also think it's possible that she "got off" on the POWER that she had over him (desire).  Being as passionate a person, as MJ was.....I think it really ate him up, not being able to openly express his true feelings.  I can imagine her telling him to keep it in perspective (sex) and that she could appreciate it for what it was (if they DID, in fact, GO THERE).  

HOWEVER, in MJ's mind.....it was NO DOUBT, A BIG DEAL!  I'm sure, that he felt she "dismissed" his feelings (she probably did).  I just think he was too HARD on himself, he's very perceptive and I believe Diana gave him a very tangible reason for him to have fallen so hard, for her.

I wished they could've found a way to "make it work."  Ironically, I think there's a reason that he named her as a backup guardian (that goes way beyond him respecting her parenting).  It would especially make SENSE, if he IS still alive and they've (unbenounced to US) been seeing each other.  What better way to have the "love of your life" accessible (ie...your childrens' caretaker)?  :D
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline MJonmind

  • *
  • Hoaxer
  • Posts: 7290
    • Show only replies by MJonmind

Re: Why Dirty Diana is Diana Ross

  • on: March 04, 2010, 01:10:40 AM
Is Diana currently married or with someone? I remember on the old MJHD site I posted in jest that maybe they were together again, since she had been so silent after his "death" and attending neither funeral or memorial. Especially considering he named her gaurdian of his kids. It's interesting to me to see the idea toyed with again.
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline CrazyBanana

  • *
  • Hoaxer
  • Posts: 745
    • Show only replies by CrazyBanana

Re: Why Dirty Diana is Diana Ross

  • on: March 04, 2010, 03:02:24 AM
Quote from: "Its her"
Did ya ever think that maybe he just liked singing her name, after years in love with her?!  ;)  :D

hmmmm...possibly, but with the word Dirty before it? naaaaaah
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline Its her

  • *
  • Hoaxer
  • Posts: 1137
    • Show only replies by Its her

Re: Why Dirty Diana is Diana Ross

  • on: March 04, 2010, 04:32:25 AM
Quote from: "Willa"
Hi there It's Her.  Your points are well taken.  I wonder if the song "Speechless" was about Diana Ross.  It would be appropriate if it were.  She is a terrific lady. :)

Hey Willa,
I really believe that Michael Jackson has been singing to the One he's been "believing God for" , since he first realized he'd like to be married, someday.  But that's just because I know many Christians who do everything with their future Love in mind. I keeps you on :D the path :D, if you're always mindful of him or her. 8-)

I used to pray for mine every single night, until it took so long, I decided maybe he was in prison or something :oops:, as MY personal preference was someone with serious pride (the good kind) and fearlessness, which ofttimes gets one in trouble, rubbing the small minded the wrong way... Then, I missed a few nights, and began to think he had died or something---maybe married someone else. :oops:
After, I took a look at what was available to me with the crop of mean, self-centered, womanizing men out there, I decided he wasn't born yet!! I wanted something very, very specific, and had NO doubts, years ago, that God had one of THESE up His sleeve, but, people told me to "Give it up, Jesus ain't coming back in your lifetime!" :roll:

With friends like that...:?

ANY way, when MJ did SPEECHLESS, he didn't have a girlfriend, because he was hitting on some blonde chickadee at the CD signing. I don't think he wrote it of D.R., because of something he says in it, and they, I am quite certain were not ever hot and heavy. Same with "Elizabeth".

I even thought it was directed to God, until I listened closer. It's very definitely with a person he is "involved" with, IN THE SONG. Because He WASN'T with anyone, I think it is just fiction. Beautiful 8-), almost Holy 8-), and meant for anyone who will have him! :D  

He sings alot of fiction. YOU ROCK MY WORLD is sung to the same person, his DREAM girl, even though he didn't write it.  Not anyone specific. I don't think he ever saw anyone get (a) "seven inches (knife) in" them, either, thank God; and when he sang THE GIRL IS MINE, both ways, you KNOW he didn't find himself SHARING any girl with either of the two co-singers!!!!!

Ha ha ha  I LOVE those songs. He has a magic pen, and magic pipes. He's a KEEPER :) :wink:
Yeah...
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »
ONLY Believe...

Offline alovesmichael

  • *
  • Hoaxer
  • Posts: 903
    • Show only replies by alovesmichael

Re: Why Dirty Diana is Diana Ross

  • on: March 04, 2010, 02:11:44 PM
I hope everyone understands that these things are just mere speculations or that is how I see it since we don't know anything. And people talking about Michael's innocence and pure heart and bla bla bla, we know Michael was the most gentle soul but we still can't claim this or that. Michael was a private person and I'm sure there are millions of things we don't know about him. Was he always that innocent? Was Diana the love of his life? Who knows? All I know is that as human beings we are curious and without meaning any harm. Idk but it seems like some people have somehow put him on a pedestal thinking he could never do "human" things or maybe I'm just misinterpreting... However, I bet that image put a lot of pressure on our sweetheart and I just want him to know that love makes an imperfect person perfect. And we are all imperfect but that's there's where the charm is!  :)

And I have not been dissing miss Diana Ross.
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

this1crazygirl

  • *
  • Guest
    • Show only replies by this1crazygirl

Re: Why Dirty Diana is Diana Ross

  • on: March 04, 2010, 02:46:31 PM
Quote from: "Its her"
Quote from: "Willa"
Hi there It's Her.  Your points are well taken.  I wonder if the song "Speechless" was about Diana Ross.  It would be appropriate if it were.  She is a terrific lady. :)

Hey Willa,
I really believe that Michael Jackson has been singing to the One he's been "believing God for" , since he first realized he'd like to be married, someday.  But that's just because I know many Christians who do everything with their future Love in mind. I keeps you on :D the path :D, if you're always mindful of him or her. 8-)

I used to pray for mine every single night, until it took so long, I decided maybe he was in prison or something :oops:, as MY personal preference was someone with serious pride (the good kind) and fearlessness, which ofttimes gets one in trouble, rubbing the small minded the wrong way... Then, I missed a few nights, and began to think he had died or something---maybe married someone else. :oops:
After, I took a look at what was available to me with the crop of mean, self-centered, womanizing men out there, I decided he wasn't born yet!! I wanted something very, very specific, and had NO doubts, years ago, that God had one of THESE up His sleeve, but, people told me to "Give it up, Jesus ain't coming back in your lifetime!" :roll:

With friends like that...:?

ANY way, when MJ did SPEECHLESS, he didn't have a girlfriend, because he was hitting on some blonde chickadee at the CD signing. I don't think he wrote it of D.R., because of something he says in it, and they, I am quite certain were not ever hot and heavy. Same with "Elizabeth".

I even thought it was directed to God, until I listened closer. It's very definitely with a person he is "involved" with, IN THE SONG. Because He WASN'T with anyone, I think it is just fiction. Beautiful 8-), almost Holy 8-), and meant for anyone who will have him! :D  

He sings alot of fiction. YOU ROCK MY WORLD is sung to the same person, his DREAM girl, even though he didn't write it.  Not anyone specific. I don't think he ever saw anyone get (a) "seven inches (knife) in" them, either, thank God; and when he sang THE GIRL IS MINE, both ways, you KNOW he didn't find himself SHARING any girl with either of the two co-singers!!!!!

Ha ha ha  I LOVE those songs. He has a magic pen, and magic pipes. He's a KEEPER :) :wink:
Yeah...

sweet  8-)  :D  :P
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline XspeechlessX

  • *
  • Hoaxer
  • Posts: 666
    • Show only replies by XspeechlessX

Re: Why Dirty Diana is Diana Ross

  • on: March 04, 2010, 03:24:29 PM
Quote from: "mykidsmum"
Quote from: "CrazyBanana"
hmmm, wow!
a lot to take in lol! MJ saying he ha sex at 10! im sorry but when I was 10 I didnt know what sex is, well maybe im a lil slow but wow lol
ok so do you think he was talking about diana ross in the tapes of his phone calls with Glenda or who ever, he says something about giving Diana money and stuff, and I think he says something about he knew she did something, like she cheateded on him or something
I always thought the Diana from those tapes was dirty diana but did not think at all it could be Diana ross...
but wouldnt you think that would be the stop of their relationship? he did state he was in love with her in a magazine interview.
btw, I really enjoy your posts! the rare video of MJ that you posted has got to be my fav. the one where he calls Randy ugly LOL! and the clown photos! thanks a lot 4 those, what els.... I could go on  and on! Thanks a lot 4 all your efforts and all your posts! I love them ! <3
aww thanks, I just hope you were never on the end of one of my tirades...LOL!  Any way, I don't believe that MJ had sex at 10, I was only quoting what one woman said that he said.  I think he was just trying to be a big shot but I do believe he loved Diana at age 10.  I have no doubt that something happend between them before he turned 18.  I still think he loves her...I don't think he ever stopped, but I think this song was written in anger of the realization that she wasn't the pure lady he thought she was and the promise of marrying him when he turned 18 was just a silly dream.  As for the Glenda tapes...Please, don't believe them.  I know that they show a side to MJ that few have seen but I will tell you, that is NOT MJ.  Fans want it to be MJ so bad.  I will tell you one thing you can listen to to confirm that it is not MJ...in the tapes, "MJ" starts telling Glenda about his schedule of all the places he has to be...These are all places MJ has been many many if not HUNDREDS of times before.  These are all names of places even I have heard of...In the tapes...he can't even say the names and has to spell them...not only that but there is a part where "MJ" SPEAKS a line from his song and tells glenda he will make her a tape...he attepts a few quiet shy bars of the song and then thats when he says, "I'll make you a tape of some songs."  Everyone knows MJ was not afraid to sing here and there...there is a tape of him in his home singing with the kids doing a puzzle, a tape of him walking and singing and greeting fans...he always goes into song.  There is a tape of him singing to Elizabeth on the phone and siging another BeGees song with his friend Bret Ratner...That is what he does...he doesn't sing on the tape because the person trying to pretend to be MJ can't sing...Please, there are other things too, but don't believe the tapes...Read the Rabbi book, there is more juicy stuff in there than on those dumb glenda tapes.  Thanks again for what you said about my posts.  I'm always looking for neat things. Here is a couple for you...a real tape of MJ's voice and a cute other one I found...
[youtube:3l0xas8t]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=au7JBDOPkC4&feature=related[/youtube:3l0xas8t]
[youtube:3l0xas8t]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UH3AVtzJvv8&feature=related[/youtube:3l0xas8t]

Goshh... these really upset me.  :|

I mean.. that first one.... "never print this. Please dont."
I felt real guilty for watching it if he didnt want people to know that... you know?

And that second on. He just seemed so lonely. I mean the kids were real sweet and all but the bumper cars.. the staff were joining in so there wasnt just him. He needs all the kids he used to have there.... all happy and laughing...
Such a wonderful man.

And looking at Neverland like that. And then them pics of it now... the tent falling apart etc... Just wondering... how could he possibly be there now.. ?

 :(
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »


"Call the man
Who deals in love beyond repair
He can heal the world
Of hearts in need of care
Shine a light ahead
When the next step is unclear
Call the man
He\'s needed here"

 - I never can say goodbye

the arabian nights

  • *
  • Guest
    • Show only replies by the arabian nights

Re: Why Dirty Diana is Diana Ross

  • on: March 04, 2010, 04:14:08 PM
what ever and with whom ever - mike's business, but  mike it would seem did have had a full life

so no need to feel sorry about this aspect of his life
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline GreenManMakeAChange

  • *
  • Hoaxer
  • Posts: 369
    • Show only replies by GreenManMakeAChange

Re: Why Dirty Diana is Diana Ross

  • on: March 04, 2010, 04:20:24 PM
If you don't agree with the poster, don't attack them and say the media will go after that and make up shit.  If the media is watching this site, there's plenty of stuff they can manipulate and take from here.  No need to get personal.  It's just analyzing a song and it's fun and not serious, at least not to me.
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline GirlSaturday

  • *
  • Hoaxer
  • Posts: 1020
    • Show only replies by GirlSaturday

Re: Why Dirty Diana is Diana Ross

  • on: March 04, 2010, 06:34:11 PM
There really should be an " applause" emoticon. You hit the nail right on the head regarding those 2 :lol:

Quote from: "MSMJFANFOREVER"
[youtube:1g71my8h]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JpmWUIG7mJY[/youtube:1g71my8h]

This video is quite "telling", as well.


OMG, they're is soooo much sexual tension there.  :)  Watch MJ, right after he and Diana kiss each other.  Watch how he is "studying her", while looking a bit awkward at the same time.  

THERE IS DEFINITELY A "HISTORY", BETWEEN THEM! I highly doubt that it was ALL in his mind.

I think she "put it ON him" and then gave him mixed signals (she seems like a "control freak", at times).  I'm not bashing Diana per se, merely offering another angle. I Also think it's possible that she "got off" on the POWER that she had over him (desire).  Being as passionate a person, as MJ was.....I think it really ate him up, not being able to openly express his true feelings.  I can imagine her telling him to keep it in perspective (sex) and that she could appreciate it for what it was (if they DID, in fact, GO THERE).  

HOWEVER, in MJ's mind.....it was NO DOUBT, A BIG DEAL!  I'm sure, that he felt she "dismissed" his feelings (she probably did).  I just think he was too HARD on himself, he's very perceptive and I believe Diana gave him a very tangible reason for him to have fallen so hard, for her.

I wished they could've found a way to "make it work."  Ironically, I think there's a reason that he named her as a backup guardian (that goes way beyond him respecting her parenting).  It would especially make SENSE, if he IS still alive and they've (unbenounced to US) been seeing each other.  What better way to have the "love of your life" accessible (ie...your childrens' caretaker)?  :D
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline GirlSaturday

  • *
  • Hoaxer
  • Posts: 1020
    • Show only replies by GirlSaturday

Re: Why Dirty Diana is Diana Ross

  • on: March 04, 2010, 06:45:18 PM
BTW - I am glad that the man had a full and "normal" life.  If he experienced love, loved loss and love again then good for him. There are too many people fantasizing over him who believe that he sat around day in and day out just watching cartoons and riding on roller coasters.  :lol:
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline billiejean17

  • *
  • Hoaxer
  • Posts: 266
    • Show only replies by billiejean17

Re: Why Dirty Diana is Diana Ross

  • on: March 04, 2010, 06:57:42 PM
I am not all that keen on Diana Ross, i wouldn't like to pass judgement on her, but you shouldn't believe everything you read...
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »
Forever Michael

mykidsmum

  • *
  • Guest
    • Show only replies by mykidsmum

Re: Why Dirty Diana is Diana Ross

  • on: March 04, 2010, 08:08:56 PM
Quote from: "Its her"
:) No offense, to any one, especially to all of you who so easily believe this as the truth, but it is no way in HELL true. Your immediate source is lying like a rug to sell her story. It is crap on crap. omg, his kids may be reading here.           :shock:  :shock:  :shock:      :shock:


I take exception to anyone dissing the great Lady, Diana Ross. How superior and catty you sound, so "knowledgable" about her sex life and how she bought her way to the top with it... Quit that. It's clearly not true that she hasn't enough just plain TALENT.
                                           :x
I take exception to putting her and Michael Jackson together in some dirty  :evil: story, of what amounts to child molestation!  :shock:  (YES, even if you qualified it and pretended to "take it back".)

I know your imagination just got the better of you in the OP, but, PULLEEEZe, save this kind of thing for the tabloids or maybe make some money writing novels. I mean NO harm, and I don't think you meant harm, either, but this is so dirty and defamatory, just FYI... :(  

You better not say MJ was doing Miss Ross at ANY point in his pure,  8-) chaste, DECENT, churchboy youth and actually, I really seriously DO meant up to age 32 at LEAST!!!!!  :!:

It is so obscene I feel sick. YUK....

Let me tell you about Diana Ross and just a couple of reasons Michael loves her to THIS HOUR:

Ms. Ross has always been one of the most openly affectionate and playful girls on the planet, and paid LOTS of loving attention to a little guy who was away from his mommy's embrace for great blocks of time, making a name for himself on Earth.

She's very classy, beautiful, even now, and FULL of personality and wit.

Michael had very good taste.  ;) He was just too young and innocent to GET it, that she was just a real nice lover--in a non-sexual, non-designing way. Haven't we ALL misunderstood someone's intentions, when we were that green?

It's not her fault and it's not a crime that he fell so hard for such a class act. It is a sacred thing for us to even be privy to this crush of his. Poor thing can't even keep his green-ness out of the public's nosey eyes...

BTW, WHO goes to a wedding with a secret rusty stake in their heart???!! Have some respect. :(  :(  The guy is wrecked and MUST save face. Sheeesh. It's not anger, it's DEATH to Love.

I know touchy-feely women like this---sort of like LOUD flowers,  who are so busy wafting joy around, they are oblivious to the affect it may be having on a teenage boy and his hormones and hungry heart. She would NEVER dream of teasing him or mean to be leading him on that way ON PURPOSE. Get your minds out of the gutter, PLEASE.  :roll:

There was NOTHING sexual or dirty about it!  :roll:  :x

It's called "love" and tender ATTENTION, something every boy LOVES to be the recipient of, even if they pretend to fight it, but, somehow, I don't think it occurred to MJ that it needed fighting. :lol:  :lol:  :D   He was unbelievably intelligent at even a very young age!

I would have hugged the daylights out of that sweetie-pie, myself, and covered him with some heart-nutritious kisses, EVERY time I could REACH him. :!:  :oops:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  

Man, you shocked me SO much.  :cry: EEWWW.

Secondly, Diana Ross was an excellent mom to her own children. When she was touring , she'd fly home every night to tuck her kids in bed tight, with kisses, as if love was :D a necessary nutrient for young growing hearts. [That is, if she couldn't just have packed them up and taken them with her!]


Don't you dare  

make his sweet, sweet, precious, puppy love crush on her and her PRIDE in simply KNOWING that handsome devil and fine inner man Mikey grew up to BE, as ANYTHING CREEPY!!!!!!!!!!!

Did ya ever think that maybe he just liked singing her name, after years in love with her?!  ;)  :D
WOW!  That is too much to take in!  I've never had anyone tell me what to do like that or tell me what I am allowed to say or not to say.  I'm sorry, but Michael Jackson isn't your sweet little church boy.  All you need to see is the file from the trial to see his list of Porn magazines.  All of them he said were his with his fingerprints on them, and the porn sites he was registered for...LOL!  As for Dianna Ross being the saint that you think she is...I guess that is why she had an affair with Barry Gordy and had his LOVE CHILD while she was married....because she is a saint and never slept around.  There is a recurring theme with some of his songs and I am just calling them as I see them.  You want to pretend MJ is a choir boy and an angel...go right ahead, but I believe him to be more on the NORMAL side of humanity... and as a free person with a brain of my own, I have every right to post what I see without someone telling me not to.  Maybe you should go watch some concert footage of MJ practically masturbating himself on stage and then come back and tell me how much of a saint he is, because the last time I looked, masturbation is pretty much a one way ticket to the hell fire in Christianity.  On an end note...I will say what I want when I want...If you don't like it...I offer you this advice...DONT READ IT!
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

mykidsmum

  • *
  • Guest
    • Show only replies by mykidsmum

Re: Why Dirty Diana is Diana Ross

  • on: March 04, 2010, 08:22:19 PM
I'd also like to comment about what I said about what MJ said when he was 10.  I was including that part (about him telling the president of the J5 fan club that Diana was his girlfriend and they were doing it) to show you that at 10 years old, he loved her.  I even stated that I did not believe that to be true!  I said that I saw it as a ten year old Michael trying to show off!  As for being naive and innocent!  ha ha ha!  Michael was around sex all the time!  Nothing I said came out of my own mouth...It was all stuff I had read.  The only thing that was mine was the interpretation of the songs.  Here is an interview the J5 did as kids...listen to how MJ says Diana's name..LOL!  and how he describes what he likes in women... I'm posting part one and part two because I don't know which part has the part about what he likes in women.  Even then you can see he was around his brothers who were NOT innocent and I'm sure MJ knew a bit himself....
[youtube:340frfz2]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sb8KeVCDie0[/youtube:340frfz2]
[youtube:340frfz2]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NyyZKY7M7A&feature=fvw[/youtube:340frfz2]
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline teerockjelli

  • *
  • Hoaxer
  • Posts: 205
    • Show only replies by teerockjelli

Re: Why Dirty Diana is Diana Ross

  • on: March 04, 2010, 08:47:51 PM
by mykidsmum » Thu Mar 04, 2010 8:08 pm

"...Maybe you should go watch some concert footage of MJ practically masturbating himself on stage and then come back and tell me how much of a saint he is, because the last time I looked, masturbation is pretty much a one way ticket to the hell fire in Christianity. On an end note...I will say what I want when I want...If you don't like it...I offer you this advice...DONT READ IT!"

----  I must say I've seen more than my fair share of MJ videos,  8-) and yeah he may gyrate off the chain  :) and make  masculine dance hand gestures  :lol:  (female dancers do it too... fake rub their bodies, you know what I mean) but he is far from masturbating! you must don't get it enough so that looks real serious  :lol: I AM JUST KIDDING  :lol:  8-) and since when is masturbating a ticket to hell? that is so funny
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

mykidsmum

  • *
  • Guest
    • Show only replies by mykidsmum

Re: Why Dirty Diana is Diana Ross

  • on: March 04, 2010, 08:55:43 PM
Quote from: "teerockjelli"
by mykidsmum » Thu Mar 04, 2010 8:08 pm

"...Maybe you should go watch some concert footage of MJ practically masturbating himself on stage and then come back and tell me how much of a saint he is, because the last time I looked, masturbation is pretty much a one way ticket to the hell fire in Christianity. On an end note...I will say what I want when I want...If you don't like it...I offer you this advice...DONT READ IT!"

----  I must say I've seen more than my fair share of MJ videos,  8-) and yeah he may gyrate off the chain  :) and make  masculine dance hand gestures  :lol:  (female dancers do it too... fake rub their bodies, you know what I mean) but he is far from masturbating! you must don't get it enough so that looks real serious  :lol: I AM JUST KIDDING  :lol:  8-) and since when is masturbating a ticket to hell? that is so funny
sorry, just trying to illustrate my post.  Don't take me seriously.  they say masturbation in Christianity is a sin...I was exagerating about the ticket to the hell fire...Simply trying to illustrate...Glad you thought it was funny:)
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline MSMJFANFOREVER

  • *
  • Hoaxer
  • Posts: 549
    • Show only replies by MSMJFANFOREVER

Re: Why Dirty Diana is Diana Ross

  • on: March 04, 2010, 09:02:11 PM
I suspect that after The Wiz wrapped up, THAT'S when the "shift" in their relationship may have happened (if not, DURING).  She planted the seed, by getting him to feel dependant on her (given their history).  Then, used his naivety to her advantage.  

I'm not meaning to be insensitive. I DO think that she cared for him....to an extent, but perhaps, viewed MJ as a challenge as he got older.   When the reality of the situation (his falling for her) became too much for her to deal with, she checked out (emotionally) and left him "holding the bag."   I'm thinking that, after everything he went through in youth, he wanted a chance at NORMALCY and hoped that she could provide that.  She "knew" him better than probably ANYONE.  They spent a LOT of time together (even more-so, doing The Wiz.).  It's a proven "fact" that proximity is a major factor in attraction (hence, prevalence of OFFICE "affairs").

Quote
# Proximity

The closer two people live to each other the more likely it is for them to like one another. Research has shown that the best single predictor of whether two people are friends is how far apart they live. This idea leads into the next one.
(self-explanatory)

# Familiarity

One of the major reasons proximity creates liking is that it increases familiarity. Generally speaking, the more a person interacts with another person, the more attraction builds between them.
(Years of getting to "know" each other, learning each others HABITS, etc)

# Similarity

This idea does not say that soccer players will marry soccer players. Instead, it makes claims that those interested in sports are attracted to those interested in sports. Statistics show that people who pair off do so according to similarities in race, age, religion, education, physical characteristics, and other general characteristics.

They're BOTH "Celebrities"..... understand Show Business)




She was his last attempt at finding LOVE, TRUST and SECURITY (in his mind) and when she "rejected" him....it was like a DAGGER to the heart.

In my opinion..... I think that his androgyny could have been linked to HIS feelings of (PERCEIVED) "inadequacy."  IE...he didn't feel 100% confident in his manliness (whatever THAT means).  However, when he performs ONSTAGE, he becomes another person.  He's able to convey CONFIDANCE, SENSUALITY, etc...In other words, he's "FREE" to be who he is!

I really think that his onstage persona IS who MJ IS. You can't "fake" the expressiveness, magnetism that he obviously HAS onstage.  He didn't have to "try", it just can naturally, like a weight being "lifted" off of him.  HE was in "control".

If you watch the making of the "Ghosts" video, WATCH the part where he's transformed into The Mayor and he's joking around with the person who was there.   It's AMAZING and ironic....  he feels able to be "himself", while disguised as someone else.  Watch his body language and the way he speaks, he is not guarded, cautious or anything.  He's joking around and seems very comfortable in his own skin (oxymoron).  ;)  In THAT context.

Listen to how his voice deepens , also pay attn. to WHAT HE'S SAYING starting at 6:40 - 7:00
[youtube:2dhkt121]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nu-_V3d2I3Q[/youtube:2dhkt121]


I said all of that, to say that....
Diana Ross played a major part in who MJ, became.

Sorry, this has turned into  "The Psychology of Michael Jackson" ......dissertation. :D
« Last Edit: March 04, 2010, 11:36:58 PM by MSMJFANFOREVER »

mykidsmum

  • *
  • Guest
    • Show only replies by mykidsmum

Re: Why Dirty Diana is Diana Ross

  • on: March 04, 2010, 09:18:51 PM
Quote from: "MSMJFANFOREVER"
I suspect that after The Wiz wrapped up, THAT'S when the "shift" in their relationship may have happened (if not, DURING).  She planted the seed, by getting him to feel dependant on her (given their history).  Then, used his naivety to her advantage.  

I'm not meaning to be insensitive. I DO think that she cared for him....to an extent, but perhaps, viewed MJ as a challenge as he got older.   When the reality of the situation (his falling for her) became too much for her to deal with, she checked out (emotionally) and left him "holding the bag."   I'm thinking that, after everything he went through in youth, he wanted a chance at NORMALCY and hoped that she could provide that.  She "knew" him better than probably ANYONE.  They spent a LOT of time together (even more-so, doing The Wiz.).  It's a proven "fact" that proximity is a major factor in attraction (hence, prevalence of OFFICE "affairs").

Quote
# Proximity

The closer two people live to each other the more likely it is for them to like one another. Research has shown that the best single predictor of whether two people are friends is how far apart they live. This idea leads into the next one.
(self-explanatory)

# Familiarity

One of the major reasons proximity creates liking is that it increases familiarity. Generally speaking, the more a person interacts with another person, the more attraction builds between them.
(Years of getting to "know" each other, learning each others HABITS, etc)

# Similarity

This idea does not say that soccer players will marry soccer players. Instead, it makes claims that those interested in sports are attracted to those interested in sports. Statistics show that people who pair off do so according to similarities in race, age, religion, education, physical characteristics, and other general characteristics.

They're BOTH "Celebrities"..... understand Show Business)




She was his last attempt at finding LOVE, TRUST and SECURITY (in his mind) and when she "rejected" him....it was like a "dagger" to the heart.

In my opinion..... I think that his androgyny could have been linked to his feelings of (PERCEIVED) "inadequacy."  IE...he didn't feel 100% confident in his manliness.  However, when he performs ONSTAGE, he becomes another person.  He's able to convey CONFIDANCE, SENSUALITY, etc...In other words, he's "FREE" to be who he is!

I really think that his onstage persona IS who MJ IS. You can't "fake" the expressiveness, magnetism that he obviously HAS onstage.  He didn't have to "try", it just can naturally, like a weight being "lifted" off of him.  HE was in "control".

If you watch the making of the "Ghosts" video, WATCH the part where he's transformed into The Mayor and he's joking around with the person who was there.   It's AMAZING and ironic....  he feels able to be "himself", while disguised as someone else.  Watch his body language and the way he speaks, he is not guarded, cautious or anything.  He's joking around and seems very comfortable in his own skin (oxymoron).  ;)  In THAT context.
(gonna try to find that clip)


I said all of that, to say that....
Diana Ross played a major part in who MJ, became.

Sorry, this has turned into  "The Psychology of Michael Jackson" ......dissertation. :D
you said it!  I agree with you one hundred percent but the androgyny part.  I'm not feeling the androgyny.  I think the makeup and the lipstick all stems from the vitiligo.  I do feel he had the pressure to be Michael Jackson and represent himself at all times, one false move and he's in the tabloids.  He seemed always to have his guard up and the costume allowed him to be himself like you said.  We forget that Michel Jackson is also a persona that MJ spent a life time perfecting.  I think on stage he was himself, like you said.  I think he was very conflicted when it came to his sexuality (sexuality, as in conflict with abstinence like his faith preached and his feelings as a hot blooded male) and performing gave him an outlet to express himself.  I think MJ knew he was a man and makeup and all that other stuff came as a result of vitiligo.  Honestly, his makeup, hair and clothes, are not much different then def Leopard or Bon Jovi of the 80's.  And these were "MEN" too. LOL!  But fantastic insight!  I really agree with most of it!
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline MSMJFANFOREVER

  • *
  • Hoaxer
  • Posts: 549
    • Show only replies by MSMJFANFOREVER

Re: Why Dirty Diana is Diana Ross

  • on: March 04, 2010, 11:17:59 PM
Quote
Mykidsmum

It's interesting how we all may look at the same thing and interpret it "differently."  Oh...The Wonders of Human Behavior :D

I agree that his Vitiligo, was the MAIN reason for the make-up, etc. But I think there's more too it. Almost like a Self-Fulfilling Prophecy.  I think the more makeup/extremism with his clothing that he evolved into...he may have found that it became easier to HIDE (so-to-speak).  Remember, people placed unfair "expectations" on MJ, since he was little.  On a subconscious level (or purposeful...IDK) he probably found it easier to tolerate living in the World, by NOT being himself. His life experiences "conditioned" him into believing that People COULD NOT BE TRUSTED. Unfortunately, his "Family" as well.  


Put yourself in his shoes for a minute.

You are getting ALL of this female attention, adoration etc. It's ultimately, what you DESIRE (to be in a real, trusting relationship), but it is INTIMIDATING, probably FRIGHTENING on some level.   You will HAVE to live up to this expectation of being the type of Man that these women WANT YOU TO BE .  You have no "real" experience in this area and it would mean that you would have to put your self "out there" (AGAIN) and TRUST someone to give you what you "need."  HIStory has taught you that relationships with women are, OFTEN, a "major" source of stress and conflict.

Add to that.....your relationship with your Father is strained (and a whole OTHER story). Brothers were co-dependant, and couldn't really offer healthy DIRECTION (they were never in stable relationships, themselves).  You grew up, exposed to adult situations that you never should've been PUT in.  It seems that there's no real POINT in trying to "reach out." (FYI-I'm not BLAMING here....just stating my perspective).


And so, you ADAPT.....learn to "compartmentalize" your REAL self, -vs- your "psuedo" persona.  You try to suppress your needs....... Unfortunatly, this creates tension and anxiety. You DO need an outlet to let it all out. So you DO THAT while YOU are in control.

"ONSTAGE".......... Where you can PERFORM, safe from harm. You can get the attention and ACCEPTANCE that we all desire as human beings.  You can let yourself  be free...."FLY" ! IE.... PeterPan, Captain EO, finding solace in TREES, on a rollercoaster all places where you can elevate yourself to another "plane"...away from scrutiny.  Many, will NOT understand and will be quick to condemn you, but this is your coping mechanism and we are all creatures of HABIT.
 

Despite all of his internal pain......
I'm comforted in that, Michael's "children".... brought him a great deal of "JOY" .   He was finally surrounded by people (his kids), who would'nt JUDGE him.  Who LOVED HIM, unconditionally. More, to-the-point...
I really believe he had a "physical" NEED to be demonstrative and express his L.O.V.E.


To me......Diana's SILENCE in all of this, "speaks" VOLUMES!  No doubt, she knows "something."   :mrgreen:


Wherever MJ is, I truly hope he is finally able to do what is right, for HIMSELF.
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline GirlSaturday

  • *
  • Hoaxer
  • Posts: 1020
    • Show only replies by GirlSaturday

Re: Why Dirty Diana is Diana Ross

  • on: March 04, 2010, 11:43:43 PM
You wrapped that up and put a bow on it. I have been trying to do so for some time but didn't. I believe in giving credit where credit is due. Damn..you're good! :lol:

Allow me to add...she saw the potential in him and defnitely wanted "first dibs".  

Quote from: "MSMJFANFOREVER"
I suspect that after The Wiz wrapped up, THAT'S when the "shift" in their relationship may have happened (if not, DURING).  She planted the seed, by getting him to feel dependant on her (given their history).  Then, used his naivety to her advantage.  

I'm not meaning to be insensitive. I DO think that she cared for him....to an extent, but perhaps, viewed MJ as a challenge as he got older.   When the reality of the situation (his falling for her) became too much for her to deal with, she checked out (emotionally) and left him "holding the bag."   I'm thinking that, after everything he went through in youth, he wanted a chance at NORMALCY and hoped that she could provide that.  She "knew" him better than probably ANYONE.  They spent a LOT of time together (even more-so, doing The Wiz.).  It's a proven "fact" that proximity is a major factor in attraction (hence, prevalence of OFFICE "affairs").

Quote
# Proximity

The closer two people live to each other the more likely it is for them to like one another. Research has shown that the best single predictor of whether two people are friends is how far apart they live. This idea leads into the next one.
(self-explanatory)

# Familiarity

One of the major reasons proximity creates liking is that it increases familiarity. Generally speaking, the more a person interacts with another person, the more attraction builds between them.
(Years of getting to "know" each other, learning each others HABITS, etc)

# Similarity

This idea does not say that soccer players will marry soccer players. Instead, it makes claims that those interested in sports are attracted to those interested in sports. Statistics show that people who pair off do so according to similarities in race, age, religion, education, physical characteristics, and other general characteristics.

They're BOTH "Celebrities"..... understand Show Business)




She was his last attempt at finding LOVE, TRUST and SECURITY (in his mind) and when she "rejected" him....it was like a DAGGER to the heart.

In my opinion..... I think that his androgyny could have been linked to HIS feelings of (PERCEIVED) "inadequacy."  IE...he didn't feel 100% confident in his manliness (whatever THAT means).  However, when he performs ONSTAGE, he becomes another person.  He's able to convey CONFIDANCE, SENSUALITY, etc...In other words, he's "FREE" to be who he is!

I really think that his onstage persona IS who MJ IS. You can't "fake" the expressiveness, magnetism that he obviously HAS onstage.  He didn't have to "try", it just can naturally, like a weight being "lifted" off of him.  HE was in "control".

If you watch the making of the "Ghosts" video, WATCH the part where he's transformed into The Mayor and he's joking around with the person who was there.   It's AMAZING and ironic....  he feels able to be "himself", while disguised as someone else.  Watch his body language and the way he speaks, he is not guarded, cautious or anything.  He's joking around and seems very comfortable in his own skin (oxymoron).  ;)  In THAT context.

Listen to how his voice deepens , also pay attn. to WHAT HE'S SAYING starting at 6:40 - 7:00
[youtube:1gih72pg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nu-_V3d2I3Q[/youtube:1gih72pg]


I said all of that, to say that....
Diana Ross played a major part in who MJ, became.

Sorry, this has turned into  "The Psychology of Michael Jackson" ......dissertation. :D
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline MSMJFANFOREVER

  • *
  • Hoaxer
  • Posts: 549
    • Show only replies by MSMJFANFOREVER

Re: Why Dirty Diana is Diana Ross

  • on: March 05, 2010, 12:06:28 AM
Quote
GirlSaturday  

Allow me to add...she saw the potential in him and defnitely wanted "first dibs".  

 :lol:  :lol:
I agree, wholeheartedly!  I'll give her a "reprieve" on THAT factor, 'cause I DAMN SURE would've thought the same thing!

 Only difference would've been that afterwards....
 I would've SCOOPED his ass up, married him, MOVED out of the U.S. and had a "gang" of kids!


Furthermore, she'd have to have a "screw" loose to NOT get with him, considering the SCALE of his "equipment."  

Maybe she did'nt "GET IT", after all....... :lol: :lol:
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

this1crazygirl

  • *
  • Guest
    • Show only replies by this1crazygirl

Re: Why Dirty Diana is Diana Ross

  • on: March 05, 2010, 01:20:20 AM
MSMJFANFOREVER  -- I love that siggy pic!
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline alovesmichael

  • *
  • Hoaxer
  • Posts: 903
    • Show only replies by alovesmichael

Re: Why Dirty Diana is Diana Ross

  • on: March 05, 2010, 07:29:15 AM
Quote
WOW! That is too much to take in! I've never had anyone tell me what to do like that or tell me what I am allowed to say or not to say. I'm sorry, but Michael Jackson isn't your sweet little church boy. All you need to see is the file from the trial to see his list of Porn magazines. All of them he said were his with his fingerprints on them, and the porn sites he was registered for...LOL! As for Dianna Ross being the saint that you think she is...I guess that is why she had an affair with Barry Gordy and had his LOVE CHILD while she was married....because she is a saint and never slept around. There is a recurring theme with some of his songs and I am just calling them as I see them. You want to pretend MJ is a choir boy and an angel...go right ahead, but I believe him to be more on the NORMAL side of humanity... and as a free person with a brain of my own, I have every right to post what I see without someone telling me not to. Maybe you should go watch some concert footage of MJ practically masturbating himself on stage and then come back and tell me how much of a saint he is, because the last time I looked, masturbation is pretty much a one way ticket to the hell fire in Christianity. On an end note...I will say what I want when I want...If you don't like it...I offer you this advice...DONT READ IT!

LOL  :lol:  And the titles of some of that porn are just HILARIOUS!  :lol: For some odd reason I find all of that very sexy, Michael with his porn...  :oops: Oh and Michael on stage, YUM! As I said in my previous post we're only speculating and I see no harm in that. We don't have to agree and people are free to say what they want. None of us are dissing Michael. The more I get to know about Michael the more I love him and I bet there are many of you that feel the same. I too feel that there must have been another side to Michael that we never got to see, maybe a tiny bit in his home videos. I definitely believe Michael loved Diana a lot probably still does but I have to say that I loved MIchael with Lmp. They looked so beautiful together and Michael seemed so happy at that time  :) I know a lot of people don't like her but I can't help but smiling whenever I see a video clip with them together.

Michael himself sang that he's "only human" and what a beautiful human being he is!
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

mykidsmum

  • *
  • Guest
    • Show only replies by mykidsmum

Re: Why Dirty Diana is Diana Ross

  • on: March 05, 2010, 12:49:56 PM
Quote from: "MSMJFANFOREVER"
I suspect that after The Wiz wrapped up, THAT'S when the "shift" in their relationship may have happened (if not, DURING).  She planted the seed, by getting him to feel dependant on her (given their history).  Then, used his naivety to her advantage.  

I'm not meaning to be insensitive. I DO think that she cared for him....to an extent, but perhaps, viewed MJ as a challenge as he got older.   When the reality of the situation (his falling for her) became too much for her to deal with, she checked out (emotionally) and left him "holding the bag."   I'm thinking that, after everything he went through in youth, he wanted a chance at NORMALCY and hoped that she could provide that.  She "knew" him better than probably ANYONE.  They spent a LOT of time together (even more-so, doing The Wiz.).  It's a proven "fact" that proximity is a major factor in attraction (hence, prevalence of OFFICE "affairs").

Quote
# Proximity

The closer two people live to each other the more likely it is for them to like one another. Research has shown that the best single predictor of whether two people are friends is how far apart they live. This idea leads into the next one.
(self-explanatory)

# Familiarity

One of the major reasons proximity creates liking is that it increases familiarity. Generally speaking, the more a person interacts with another person, the more attraction builds between them.
(Years of getting to "know" each other, learning each others HABITS, etc)

# Similarity

This idea does not say that soccer players will marry soccer players. Instead, it makes claims that those interested in sports are attracted to those interested in sports. Statistics show that people who pair off do so according to similarities in race, age, religion, education, physical characteristics, and other general characteristics.

They're BOTH "Celebrities"..... understand Show Business)




She was his last attempt at finding LOVE, TRUST and SECURITY (in his mind) and when she "rejected" him....it was like a DAGGER to the heart.

In my opinion..... I think that his androgyny could have been linked to HIS feelings of (PERCEIVED) "inadequacy."  IE...he didn't feel 100% confident in his manliness (whatever THAT means).  However, when he performs ONSTAGE, he becomes another person.  He's able to convey CONFIDANCE, SENSUALITY, etc...In other words, he's "FREE" to be who he is!

I really think that his onstage persona IS who MJ IS. You can't "fake" the expressiveness, magnetism that he obviously HAS onstage.  He didn't have to "try", it just can naturally, like a weight being "lifted" off of him.  HE was in "control".

If you watch the making of the "Ghosts" video, WATCH the part where he's transformed into The Mayor and he's joking around with the person who was there.   It's AMAZING and ironic....  he feels able to be "himself", while disguised as someone else.  Watch his body language and the way he speaks, he is not guarded, cautious or anything.  He's joking around and seems very comfortable in his own skin (oxymoron).  ;)  In THAT context.

Listen to how his voice deepens , also pay attn. to WHAT HE'S SAYING starting at 6:40 - 7:00
[youtube:2qfirxe8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nu-_V3d2I3Q[/youtube:2qfirxe8]


I said all of that, to say that....
Diana Ross played a major part in who MJ, became.

Sorry, this has turned into  "The Psychology of Michael Jackson" ......dissertation. :D
Take a look starting at 9:13...LOL!  He splashes the guy with the water bottle and then runs!  Ha ha ha ha
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline Its her

  • *
  • Hoaxer
  • Posts: 1137
    • Show only replies by Its her

Re: Why Dirty Diana is Diana Ross

  • on: March 05, 2010, 05:49:56 PM
Quote from: "Willa"
Hi there It's Her.  Your points are well taken.  I wonder if the song "Speechless" was about Diana Ross.  It would be appropriate if it were.  She is a terrific lady. :)

 Hi again, Willa,

I forgot to tell you which song I do think MJ wrote which could be about his feelings for Diana Ross. He  tried to throw people off her trail, but I have a picture of him holding her, maybe months AFTER the song became a hit, and he's SO smitten in love with her, it HURTS (ME :roll: !!!).

It is: I Just Can't Stop Loving You.

This is one of the most beautiful  :cry:  8-) HEART songs EVER written by anyone. It is just dripping with love. Desperate, unbelievably sweet love. I can feel him feeling it.   :(  :(  :(  
 
Someone asked him if he wrote OR even sang it with someone  ;) Specific in mind, and he said he did NOT write it thinking of anyone (would YOU admit it, that the object of your affection may be mostly in your mind, while your heart is still raw?).

But, he said sometimes he has thought of "someone", while singing it.(probably me :o ...yeah, that's who...)

THERE you go! :D
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »
ONLY Believe...

Offline Willa

  • *
  • Hoaxer
  • Posts: 24
    • Show only replies by Willa

Re: Why Dirty Diana is Diana Ross

  • on: March 06, 2010, 12:22:48 AM
It's Her wrote:
"I forgot to tell you which song I do think MJ wrote which could be about his feelings for Diana Ross. He tried to throw people off her trail, but I have a picture of him holding her, maybe months AFTER the song became a hit, and he's SO smitten in love with her, it HURTS (ME  !!!).

It is: I Just Can't Stop Loving You."

It's too bad the two of them couldn't get together if he loved her that much.  I think that back in the 80's it wasn't accepted for an older woman and a younger man to be together.  Today it would be O.K. (look at Demi Moore and Ashton Kutcher).  Michael was a pioneer in so many ways, particularly with respect to race.  I wish he could have had the love he deserved.

BTW, can you post that pic?

It makes sense that "I Just Can't Stop Loving You" is about Diana Ross.  That song was on the Off the Wall album, right at the time when he was in love with her.  

Now, I just know that many of his other songs were about me, of course. :lol:
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline alovesmichael

  • *
  • Hoaxer
  • Posts: 903
    • Show only replies by alovesmichael

Re: Why Dirty Diana is Diana Ross

  • on: March 06, 2010, 05:51:44 PM
Quote from: "Willa"
It's Her wrote:
"I forgot to tell you which song I do think MJ wrote which could be about his feelings for Diana Ross. He tried to throw people off her trail, but I have a picture of him holding her, maybe months AFTER the song became a hit, and he's SO smitten in love with her, it HURTS (ME  !!!).

It is: I Just Can't Stop Loving You."

It's too bad the two of them couldn't get together if he loved her that much.  I think that back in the 80's it wasn't accepted for an older woman and a younger man to be together.  Today it would be O.K. (look at Demi Moore and Ashton Kutcher).  Michael was a pioneer in so many ways, particularly with respect to race.  I wish he could have had the love he deserved.

BTW, can you post that pic?

It makes sense that "I Just Can't Stop Loving You" is about Diana Ross.  That song was on the Off the Wall album, right at the time when he was in love with her.  

Now, I just know that many of his other songs were about me, of course. :lol:

Wasn't that song on the Bad album and not on Off the Wall? But of course he could still have been in love with her and written the song a bit later...
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline Its her

  • *
  • Hoaxer
  • Posts: 1137
    • Show only replies by Its her

Re: Why Dirty Diana is Diana Ross

  • on: March 08, 2010, 08:05:41 PM
Quote from: "Willa"
It's Her wrote:
"I forgot to tell you which song I do think MJ wrote which could be about his feelings for Diana Ross. He tried to throw people off her trail, but I have a picture of him holding her, maybe months AFTER the song became a hit, and he's SO smitten in love with her, it HURTS (ME  !!!).

It is: I Just Can't Stop Loving You."

It's too bad the two of them couldn't get together if he loved her that much.  I think that back in the 80's it wasn't accepted for an older woman and a younger man to be together.  Today it would be O.K. (look at Demi Moore and Ashton Kutcher).  Michael was a pioneer in so many ways, particularly with respect to race.  I wish he could have had the love he deserved.

BTW, can you post that pic?


It makes sense that "I Just Can't Stop Loving You" is about Diana Ross.  That song was on the Off the Wall album, right at the time when he was in love with her.  

Now, I just know that many of his other songs were about me, of course. :lol:


I'll have to scan it or find it online some place. I will look around. My copy has tears all over it ;)  :oops:  and is kind of wrinkly. Man, I would have given everything to have inspired that look while holding me, later. THIS WAS BEFORE HE REALIZED MEN DON'T DO THAT KIND OF THING---WEAR YOUR HEART ON YOUR FACE.  :D  :D

And they really DON'T, sillies.  They got girl bait in their hearts and are TOO COOL to whip it out. I have NEVER seen any guy so much in love EVER.  I do mean EVER, NEVER, EVER. There are other ways to tell if they love you, but this is KILLER.

People waste SO much time being cool instead of showing what's inside. So what if you get stomped a few times? Maybe the guy who picks you up and dusts you off will be your hero. :D  

HE WAS PROBABLY 29 OR 30, BUT HE WAS SUCH A SWEET  :cry: INNOCENT MAN-CHILD. And I was totally gutless, and did NOT even know what that look meant, I was so shy  :x and clueless.  :x  It wouldn't have done any good to be nearby him,then.

It is true, youth is wasted on the young.

Now, I am not into groveling, but, I'll DO that part if he'll do "The LOOK"!! (gotta MEAN it, most sincerely, too!)

About D.R. and MJ...I think she kicked herself EVERY DAY for taking him in when he was a baby-doll.  Her cougar instincts could have been flashing, but she just couldn't get past that angelic little (LOOKED like ) 8 year old face, even after he became grown. She's a Mommy type first, God Bless her!(despite what all the nasty girls here, say). :roll:
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »
ONLY Believe...

Offline msteetee34

  • *
  • Hoaxer
  • Posts: 1234
    • Show only replies by msteetee34

Re: Why Dirty Diana is Diana Ross

  • on: March 08, 2010, 08:47:46 PM
Dang MJ was fine on that video clip with Diana Ross.  That was cute how they were holding hands.  The only time MJ let go of her hand is when she shook hands with Regis(who I didn't recognize at first because he's so young here.)  It's funny because she is the bigger star at this point in time.  This is when he was first emerging as a solo artist.  I like when he ask is this your escort for the night and she's like absolutely this is my date and she kiss MJ.  You can tell he's all proud and excited to be in her company.  He's like Diana's arm candy for the night.  Regis barely talks to MJ during the interview but then he's like thanks Michael and MJ gives him and smile but when he walks off he kinda have like a whatever dude look on his face.
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »


Offline MSMJFANFOREVER

  • *
  • Hoaxer
  • Posts: 549
    • Show only replies by MSMJFANFOREVER

Re: Why Dirty Diana is Diana Ross

  • on: March 08, 2010, 09:02:24 PM
Quote from: "msteetee34"
Dang MJ was fine on that video clip with Diana Ross.

Wasn't HE?!  LORD, I would've been all over him...IDK what in the world Diana was "thinking"  :?: I could look at him ALL day!


Listen at 3:47 thru 3:56 (rehearsing Dirty Diana).  Watch how he EMPHATICALLY says "Diana".... baby and mama ;)  :D
[youtube:2h369cq8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tsIz-SQiLPU[/youtube:2h369cq8]


OMG...just found THIS! at 7:34 (she can't get her thoughts together and stumbles with her words.  I think she was afraid of letting the "cat out of the bag".   7:55 the "inflection" in his voice (when he says, what he says)....SAYS IT ALL!   :D
[youtube:2h369cq8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dv50YxWIqkM[/youtube:2h369cq8]
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline CrazyBanana

  • *
  • Hoaxer
  • Posts: 745
    • Show only replies by CrazyBanana

Re: Why Dirty Diana is Diana Ross

  • on: March 09, 2010, 01:18:16 AM
Quote from: "MSMJFANFOREVER"


OMG...just found THIS! at 7:34 (she can't get her thoughts together and stumbles with her words.  I think she was afraid of letting the "cat out of the bag".   7:55 the "inflection" in his voice (when he says, what he says)....SAYS IT ALL!   :D
[youtube:26ejxgv2]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dv50YxWIqkM[/youtube:26ejxgv2]


sucha cute video !!! awwwww MJ!!! thnx 4 posting hun<3
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline CrazyBanana

  • *
  • Hoaxer
  • Posts: 745
    • Show only replies by CrazyBanana

Re: Why Dirty Diana is Diana Ross

  • on: March 09, 2010, 01:50:13 AM
ok this is I think an interview with Eony,(a magazine?) I saw a screen shot on a youtube video or something...

here is the screen shot attached

and well we are speculating kinda...but the there are things that are a bit obvious.. maybe nothing sexual happened during the Wiz or whatever...but the attraction was there

and its nothing nasty...and we are definitely not nasty for thinking this
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline alovesmichael

  • *
  • Hoaxer
  • Posts: 903
    • Show only replies by alovesmichael

Re: Why Dirty Diana is Diana Ross

  • on: March 09, 2010, 02:32:18 PM
Michael doing Dirty Diana live = *me going mental of excitement, then fainting from his indescribable sexiness...* HeeHee!  :lol:
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

mykidsmum

  • *
  • Guest
    • Show only replies by mykidsmum

Re: Why Dirty Diana is Diana Ross

  • on: March 11, 2010, 12:54:10 PM
Quote from: "CrazyBanana"
ok this is I think an interview with Eony,(a magazine?) I saw a screen shot on a youtube video or something...

here is the screen shot attached

and well we are speculating kinda...but the there are things that are a bit obvious.. maybe nothing sexual happened during the Wiz or whatever...but the attraction was there

and its nothing nasty...and we are definitely not nasty for thinking this
I've read that and it is very sweet.  I love the last quote from MJ...some got cut off but it goes
"let's put it this way, how old would you be if you didn't even know how old you are?"  -Michael Jackson-
He's trying to say that age is just a number, how old would you FEEL if you didn't know your age... SO SO TRUE!  I think right now I'm feeling like 80 or so...LOL he he he...
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

word

  • *
  • Guest
    • Show only replies by word

Re: Why Dirty Diana is Diana Ross

  • on: March 11, 2010, 09:02:43 PM
Please stop the madness,this song has nothing to do with Diana Ross,if she was that dirty then why would he want leave his children in her care,she is next in line to get the children if Mrs.jackson is no longer able to properly care for them.
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline GirlSaturday

  • *
  • Hoaxer
  • Posts: 1020
    • Show only replies by GirlSaturday

Re: Why Dirty Diana is Diana Ross

  • on: March 11, 2010, 09:21:17 PM
Diana Ross is now in her mid 60s and a much different woman than she was in her youth. Most people  grow, mature and change as they age. She has demonstrated that she is a great mother by the way that she has raised her own 5 children. She is next in line to raise MJs kids because she is a good mother today and not the same woman that she was in days past.
Quote from: "word"
Please stop the madness,this song has nothing to do with Diana Ross,if she was that dirty then why would he want leave his children in her care,she is next in line to get the children if Mrs.jackson is no longer able to properly care for them.
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline Its her

  • *
  • Hoaxer
  • Posts: 1137
    • Show only replies by Its her

Re: Why Dirty Diana is Diana Ross

  • on: March 12, 2010, 05:11:38 AM
Quote from: "GirlSaturday"
Diana Ross is now in her mid 60s and a much different woman than she was in her youth. Most people  grow, mature and change as they age. She has demonstrated that she is a great mother by the way that she has raised her own 5 children. She is next in line to raise MJs kids because she is a good mother today and not the same woman that she was in days past.
Quote from: "word"
Please stop the madness,this song has nothing to do with Diana Ross,if she was that dirty then why would he want leave his children in her care,she is next in line to get the children if Mrs.jackson is no longer able to properly care for them.


THANK you :!: :D
and,
THANK you :!:  :cool: It IS madness :!: :roll:
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »
ONLY Believe...

Offline MSMJFANFOREVER

  • *
  • Hoaxer
  • Posts: 549
    • Show only replies by MSMJFANFOREVER

Re: Why Dirty Diana is Diana Ross

  • on: March 12, 2010, 01:29:44 PM
Quote from: "GirlSaturday"
Diana Ross is now in her mid 60s and a much different woman than she was in her youth. Most people  grow, mature and change as they age. She has demonstrated that she is a great mother by the way that she has raised her own 5 children. She is next in line to raise MJs kids because she is a good mother today and not the same woman that she was in days past.

I agree, completely!
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline MSMJFANFOREVER

  • *
  • Hoaxer
  • Posts: 549
    • Show only replies by MSMJFANFOREVER

Re: Why Dirty Diana is Diana Ross

  • on: March 28, 2010, 06:25:55 PM
Could it be that Diana's presence, has "pissed him OFF" again?! :?:

0:40
[youtube:112xweqp]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gLoukbW-Tw&feature=player_embedded[/youtube:112xweqp]
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline vanessa

  • *
  • Hoaxer
  • Posts: 80
    • Show only replies by vanessa

Re: Why Dirty Diana is Diana Ross

  • on: March 28, 2010, 07:42:39 PM
Quote from: "CrazyBanana"
Quote from: "GirlSaturday"
Plus let's not forget who is willed to care for the children if something happens to Mrs. Jackson. Michael was apparently determined that one way or another Diana Ross would be the mother of his children.
OMJ!! and poor naive me thinking it was because she was a mother figure to him!


I dont think you're fully wrong in that part, Michael did mentioned Diana Ross as his '2nd mother', in Rock&Roll hall of fame (where he inducted by N Sync). The video is here somewehere, sorry i can't post in now, im late for work as it is!!  :lol:
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »
This is the closest i get of getting insane over someone i never met..I miss you so much Michael it HURTS..

Offline Glinda

  • *
  • Hoaxer
  • Posts: 658
    • Show only replies by Glinda

Re: Why Dirty Diana is Diana Ross

  • on: March 31, 2010, 04:01:51 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlslHp3Audg

Animal stalking you at night
I'm a sucker for someone
And I got the prey in sight
Lying on a bed of leaves
In the modern times
You forget and let your spirit breathe

Capture me my blood is red
Another vitim of your ritual
For you my skin is shed
Ecstacy ain't what you find
In the modern world
One flick of my tongue changes
The meaning of the world
And you say
That's impossible
That's not impossible to do, oh
And you digest what I can see
The taste of you can be

Chorus:
I don't wanna get eaten alive
'cause you're so dangerous
No more hearts I can trust, you see
I don't wanna get eaten alive
To be eaten alive
Eaten alive
I don't ever wanna be
Eaten alive

Now I got you on the run
And the quicker my senses
And the chance is, I'm the faster one
I know the universal law
Primeval times
With a little stimulation
It'll come once more, and you say
That's impossible
It's not impossible to do, oh
And you digest what I can see
The taste of you can be

(chorus)

I don't wanna get eaten alive
'cause you're so dangerous
No more hearts I can trust, you see
I don't wanna get eaten alive
To be eaten alive
Tie me to a tree, crawl all over me
You can rip my shirt, drag me in the dirt
I will be your slave, anything you say
I don't ever wanna be eaten alive

I don't wanna get eaten alive
'cos you're so dangerous
No more hearts I can trust, you see
I don't wanna get eaten alive
'cos you're so dangerous
No more hearts I can trust, you see
I don't wanna get eaten alive
'cos you're so dangerous
No more hearts I can trust, you see
I don't wanna get eaten alive
To be eaten alive

Gotta do her, crawl all over me
You can rip my shirt, drag me in the dirt
I will be your slave, anything you say
I don't ever wanna be, eaten alive

Sounds like mindcontrol to me :?
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline GirlSaturday

  • *
  • Hoaxer
  • Posts: 1020
    • Show only replies by GirlSaturday

Re: Why Dirty Diana is Diana Ross

  • on: March 31, 2010, 04:15:44 PM
Interesting vid and I couldn't help but notice for the first time the uncanny physical similarities between Miss Ross and Miss Campbell. Coincidence that he chose Miss Campbell for the "In The Closet" video ? Maybe or maybe not.  :lol:
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline Glinda

  • *
  • Hoaxer
  • Posts: 658
    • Show only replies by Glinda

Re: Why Dirty Diana is Diana Ross

  • on: March 31, 2010, 04:37:05 PM
[youtube:2ybetyge]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQy86k4fBu0[/youtube:2ybetyge]

Original clip???  whats up with the spiderwebs :?  Is she the black widow? :shock:

 :mrgreen:
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline MJonmind

  • *
  • Hoaxer
  • Posts: 7290
    • Show only replies by MJonmind

Re: Why Dirty Diana is Diana Ross

  • on: March 31, 2010, 05:01:42 PM
Just a weird thing I noticed while watching the above video, MJ making of bad tour, at 5:40 Michael looks a lot to me like Rockwell, who many people believe could have been MJ's double or even half brother.[attachment=0:2xpbdgtc]1983_Session_Rockwell[1].jpg[/attachment:2xpbdgtc]
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline MJonmind

  • *
  • Hoaxer
  • Posts: 7290
    • Show only replies by MJonmind

Re: Why Dirty Diana is Diana Ross

  • on: March 31, 2010, 05:12:15 PM
Also just a question, remember Latoya's marriage forced upon her as her manager just doing it all for money. Would you know if possibly Diana's marriages were not necessarily what she wanted but she was being controlled and handled. She certainly did seem to love Michael more than motherly/sisterly. Was she putting her career first against what her emotions were telling her, and Michael but felt powerless as well. Thoughts?
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline CrazyBanana

  • *
  • Hoaxer
  • Posts: 745
    • Show only replies by CrazyBanana

Re: Why Dirty Diana is Diana Ross

  • on: March 31, 2010, 05:21:45 PM
Quote from: "MJonmind"
Also just a question, remember Latoya's marriage forced upon her as her manager just doing it all for money. Would you know if possibly Diana's marriages were not necessarily what she wanted but she was being controlled and handled. She certainly did seem to love Michael more than motherly/sisterly. Was she putting her career first against what her emotions were telling her, and Michael but felt powerless as well. Thoughts?
I think she was very career oriented...could possibly be!
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline AvaMarie

  • *
  • Hoaxer
  • Posts: 714
    • Show only replies by AvaMarie

Re: Why Dirty Diana is Diana Ross

  • on: April 03, 2010, 03:15:57 PM
I have always believed that song was about her. And I also always believed Diana said and did some things to Michael when he was younger that she shouldn't have. Does anybody remember from MJ's book Moonwalk when he was talking about Diana Ross he described her as his ''lover'' as well as other thing?
« Last Edit: April 04, 2010, 12:01:16 PM by AvaMarie »

Offline CC

  • *
  • Hoaxer
  • Posts: 2136
    • Show only replies by CC

Re: Why Dirty Diana is Diana Ross

  • on: April 03, 2010, 03:23:04 PM
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »
Some men see things as they are and say: WHY?
I dream things that never were and say: WHY NOT?

Offline CC

  • *
  • Hoaxer
  • Posts: 2136
    • Show only replies by CC

Re: Why Dirty Diana is Diana Ross

  • on: April 03, 2010, 03:49:38 PM
[quote="MSMJFANFOREVER] OMG...just found THIS! at 7:34 (she can't get her thoughts together and stumbles with her words.  I think she was afraid of letting the "cat out of the bag".   7:55 the "inflection" in his voice (when he says, what he says)....SAYS IT ALL!   :D [/quote]

WHEN HE SAYS "YOU WERE THERE, AND NOW YOU ARE HERE" :oops: HIS EYES, THEY WAY HE LOOKS AT HER :oops:  AND THEN "I´M CRAZY ABOUT YOU" :oops:  
WHEN WAS THAT? WHAT YEAR?
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »
Some men see things as they are and say: WHY?
I dream things that never were and say: WHY NOT?

Offline vanessa

  • *
  • Hoaxer
  • Posts: 80
    • Show only replies by vanessa

Re: Why Dirty Diana is Diana Ross

  • on: April 03, 2010, 10:44:33 PM
Quote from: "CC"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=haoXt4SH ... re=related

 

2 things from this video:

1) from 2.02 - 2.19 - Michael looked ALL SHY, if that's not a blushed out total crush in Diana Ross i dont know what that is

2) Michael looked CRAZY FINE in this video
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »
This is the closest i get of getting insane over someone i never met..I miss you so much Michael it HURTS..

Offline MJonmind

  • *
  • Hoaxer
  • Posts: 7290
    • Show only replies by MJonmind

Re: Why Dirty Diana is Diana Ross

  • on: April 06, 2010, 03:00:47 AM
I see what you mean from the video, and also when she hugs him she puts her leg up along him like only a lover would.  In that write-up somewhere Michael says yes he would definately marry Diana and that age was no issue for him, but he clearly said the heavy stuff (sex I'm sure) is for marriage.
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline CC

  • *
  • Hoaxer
  • Posts: 2136
    • Show only replies by CC

Re: Why Dirty Diana is Diana Ross

  • on: April 06, 2010, 05:23:53 PM
Quote from: "MJonmind"
I see what you mean from the video, and also when she hugs him she puts her leg up along him like only a lover would.  In that write-up somewhere Michael says yes he would definately marry Diana and that age was no issue for him, but he clearly said the heavy stuff (sex I'm sure) is for marriage.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGlQGHGp ... re=related
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »
Some men see things as they are and say: WHY?
I dream things that never were and say: WHY NOT?

Offline MSMJFANFOREVER

  • *
  • Hoaxer
  • Posts: 549
    • Show only replies by MSMJFANFOREVER

Re: Why Dirty Diana is Diana Ross

  • on: April 06, 2010, 11:30:38 PM
Thank you for that article!  It's like he was speaking through the PAGE! :D

I feel that you can take away "two" things from it....

He strongly implied that he wanted to MARRY Diana:


Either, to "SEAL" THE DEAL (within a "Marriage") because he LOVED her.

                             OR

Because they had "already", DONE SO (or came damn near close, and he wanted a clear conscience about it (due to the fact that it WAS a big deal to him, because he LOVED her).

Whatever the answer.  I can't see how ANYONE could feel so passionately, for a "love interest"...just based on respect and admiration ALONE.  I'm convinced that SOMETHING went "down" between the two of them, even if was just a "Passionate KISS" done in the heat of the moment(s).  He was so obviously "LOVE-STRUCK".  The question is what circumstances contributed to it?



As you can see..i'm trying to turn this into a Harlequin Romance. :D
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline CC

  • *
  • Hoaxer
  • Posts: 2136
    • Show only replies by CC

Re: Why Dirty Diana is Diana Ross

  • on: April 07, 2010, 11:26:09 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubbG8M3nDK8

here he sing rock with you with diana
the way he looks at her... :oops:
maybe they are together now and that is why  dirty diana wasn´t in TII???
you rock my world would be for her to???
what do you think?
 :)
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »
Some men see things as they are and say: WHY?
I dream things that never were and say: WHY NOT?

Offline GirlSaturday

  • *
  • Hoaxer
  • Posts: 1020
    • Show only replies by GirlSaturday

Re: Why Dirty Diana is Diana Ross

  • on: April 07, 2010, 01:29:01 PM
Harlequin romance. Puleez...
I have been so tempted to turn this into something more risque but backed off since I don't want to be slapped on the  wrist.

I asked a male friend his opinion. He gave an interesting reply. He said that things could have gone either way. However he strongly  believes that nothing significant happened. But, he said,  that doesn't mean  ...end of story. He also said that it may be that she kept MJ close by and smitten by leading him to believe that he could be with her ....one day. That ...my friend  said was a carrot for her to use and  be able to reel him in if she ever really wanted to be with MJ.  No one would turn MJ down. What or who he wanted he could get. She would have been his ultimate personal conquest  and achievement. This is especially true since she had a reputation as being quite free and independent regarding romance. MJ may have believed that his love toward her and being with him could tame her and allow him to do what few other men could do.

Consider this. Every woman that MJ dated or married was just a fill-in. Some one to kill time while he patiently waited for  Diana to give in to him. If Diana had crooked her  little finger, he would have dropped (fill inthe blank) and gone running to her.  I've known love ...deep love in my time but that is some pretty deep love to consider.

IF... what my friend alluded to is true then that deep love only intensified when MJ became an experienced man. Afterall he could then ponder the things that could take place between himself and Diana. His mind must have been racing with thoughts and imagery. Jealous  anyone:lol:

Quote from: "MSMJFANFOREVER"
Thank you for that article!  It's like he was speaking through the PAGE! :D

I feel that you can take away "two" things from it....

He strongly implied that he wanted to MARRY Diana:


Either, to "SEAL" THE DEAL (within a "Marriage") because he LOVED her.

                             OR

Because they had "already", DONE SO (or came damn near close, and he wanted a clear conscience about it (due to the fact that it WAS a big deal to him, because he LOVED her).

Whatever the answer.  I can't see how ANYONE could feel so passionately, for a "love interest"...just based on respect and admiration ALONE.  I'm convinced that SOMETHING went "down" between the two of them, even if was just a "Passionate KISS" done in the heat of the moment(s).  He was so obviously "LOVE-STRUCK".  The question is what circumstances contributed to it?



As you can see..i'm trying to turn this into a Harlequin Romance. :D
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline jacilovesmichael

  • *
  • Hoaxer
  • Posts: 2474
    • Show only replies by jacilovesmichael

Re: Why Dirty Diana is Diana Ross

  • on: April 07, 2010, 02:11:18 PM
I don't think anyone will ever know the extent of their relationship.

All I can say is how LUCKY Diana is to have been loved by him. He is such an angel. What I would give to just hold his hand like that! haha
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »
What you have just witnessed could be the end of a particularly terrifying nightmare. It isn’t. It’s the beginning.


Offline MSMJFANFOREVER

  • *
  • Hoaxer
  • Posts: 549
    • Show only replies by MSMJFANFOREVER

Re: Why Dirty Diana is Diana Ross

  • on: April 07, 2010, 10:23:04 PM
Quote
GirlSaturday..

I see a lot of validity in your male friend's "perspective."  I tend to AGREE that they never did go ALL THE WAY, especially since we all know what Michael was "blessed with" (i'm being serious here).  I doubt, that she would've been able to resist HIM afterwards, had they "sealed the deal"..... regardless, of his experience/abilities (at that time).  He already came "equipped", which is a BONUS.  You can, easily, school an individual who's open to suggestion.  

I do, agree on the dangling the carrot theory.  But I STILL think that a little more than that, happened.  I mean, he had been friends with Tatum, Brooke and even if he had crushes on them, i'm sure, they PALED in comparison to what Diana (embodied to HIM).  I think, if anything, "she" was a challenge to HIM.  He wanted to "tame" her, while learning a thing or two, in the process.

Initially, I suspect that she did just want to manipulate him. But again, I think that she felt something too and perhaps...felt guilty about it (due to the age difference, etc).  
I wouldn't be surprised to learn that OTHERS (ie...Quincy, Katherine, Liz) knew the extent of what was going on and "bribed" Diana, into backing off and/or (letting him down easy- FOR HER OWN SAKE).

It makes sense, considering the MJ & Tatiana thing (for instance).  Michael's "people" would've wanted him to stay focused on his MUSIC and, therefore, wouldn't want him to be distracted by.....not only a LOVE INTEREST, but controversy over "one" that they KNEW had great power over him (Diana).  

I've wondered if Tracy Ellis Ross (Diana's daughter), is privy to what really went on.  She seems quite close to her mother.  I'm sure the topic had to have come up, at some point. :?:

'Aint NO way he was feelin' her like that, behind some.... "I admire her" SHIT.
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline katson45

  • *
  • Hoaxer
  • Posts: 116
    • Show only replies by katson45

Re: Why Dirty Diana is Diana Ross

  • on: April 08, 2010, 02:57:56 AM
Maybe the 'plan'...after some time (or Kathryn can no longer care for the kids) off they go to Diana and daddy...? strikes me as a brilliant plan..especially if only 1 is still working...and there it is in black and white in the 'will' ...Diana has been laying low in all this since the 'death', out of the prying eyes of tabloid junk...Good things come to those who wait ...eh Mike?  lol
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline MSMJFANFOREVER

  • *
  • Hoaxer
  • Posts: 549
    • Show only replies by MSMJFANFOREVER

Re: Why Dirty Diana is Diana Ross

  • on: April 08, 2010, 01:32:18 PM
Beating a dead horse here, again.

But WHY haven't we heard from any of MJ's closest friends?!  Diana, Quincy, Liza, LIZ?  CHRIS TUCKER!!!I mean COME ON...not ONE of them has made any kind of real statement about how MJ impacted their lives, etc.  

Hell...Tiger Woods is STILL "talking."  and the media have been ALL UP IN HIS A_S, yet,
The KING of POP seems to have gone under the radar.

I just don't get it.


I've been thinking that, "behind the scenes".... they (MJ & Diana)MADE UP...long time ago!  Could've been part of the plan to have made it appear as though they were still estranged.   I guarantee that, wherever MJ is....Diana is within arms length reach and/or is a fake "phone call" away).   :D

If so, I'm GLAD..and hope that they're diligently making UP for lost time.  :D
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline CC

  • *
  • Hoaxer
  • Posts: 2136
    • Show only replies by CC

Re: Why Dirty Diana is Diana Ross

  • on: April 08, 2010, 02:09:52 PM
I THINK LIKE A BIG POSIBILITY THAT MJ IS WITH DIANA...
WE NEVER SAW HER AFTER THE MEMORIAL, BURIAL... WE NEVER SAW HE THERE NEITHER... SO:
SHE HAVE TO BE WITH HIM AND HIM WITH HER...
AFTER ALL OF THIS YEARS WE DO NOT KNOW NOTHING ABOUT THEY... SO MAYBE THEY´RE TOGETHER FINALLY!
WHAT SENSE MAKE DIANA GUARDIAN OF THE KIDS IF THEY DON´T HAVE A RELATIONSHIP???
IT´S IMPPOSIBLE THAT MJ LEAVE THIS KIDS WITH DIANA IF THEY ARE NOT TOGETHER OR CLOSER FOR ALL THIS YEARS SINCE THE WILL WAS SIGNED.
HE KNOWS WHAT TO DO! COME ON! THEY HAVE TO BE TOGETHER! I HOPE SO.... ;)
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »
Some men see things as they are and say: WHY?
I dream things that never were and say: WHY NOT?

Offline katson45

  • *
  • Hoaxer
  • Posts: 116
    • Show only replies by katson45

Re: Why Dirty Diana is Diana Ross

  • on: April 08, 2010, 06:24:38 PM
I so hope this is the case..What a wonderful ending to a spectacular career...a true fairytale ending for a deserving guy like michael...
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline MSMJFANFOREVER

  • *
  • Hoaxer
  • Posts: 549
    • Show only replies by MSMJFANFOREVER

Re: Why Dirty Diana is Diana Ross

  • on: April 08, 2010, 07:25:24 PM
Touche (too-shay).  ;)

He was a KNOCKOUT in this era! *drools*




"comparison"




Yup. You STILL got it, baby. ALWAYS WILL!


Lord! Don't he make you wanna do some... "unmentionables" to him?  
8-)
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline MSMJFANFOREVER

  • *
  • Hoaxer
  • Posts: 549
    • Show only replies by MSMJFANFOREVER

Re: Why Dirty Diana is Diana Ross

  • on: April 08, 2010, 10:15:03 PM
Bringing some new LIFE into this stagnant thread :D

I was just watching the video for Billie Jean and there's a shot of a newspaper where the name 'Billie Jean' appears. I wonder if it was just a coincidence that in Lady Sings the Blues Diana's character gets her stage name (Billie) from a newspaper and the audience is presented with the information in a similar fashion...
 :shock:  :?:

On the LipstickAlley, MJ & DIANA thread (another site),someone mentioned Rebbie's song,CENTIPEDEsong, and how MJ wrote it....with a ton of methaphors in the lyrics.

Your love
Is like a ragin' fire, oh
You're a snake that's on the loose
The strike is your desire

Don't you know in the quiet of the night
Is when the snake is in the crawlin'
And the moon starts to glow then disappear
When the time is really right
Is when the centipede is crawlin'
You'll be crying in the night so many tears
And you're crawlin' like a centipede


it was about a snake..but not the reptilian kind.

The Centipede's "strike" is more like the "stroke". Moon starts to "glow" and disappear (*cough*getsbiggerandthenfindsaHOME*cough*). Crying in the night so many tears is the "moans of PASSION"

**Michael was bragging about the Force and nobody knew.**
 :D

Now, you might say
Quote
But wouldn't it be kind of weird to have your sister singing the song if that was what it was about?

It was probably a "private" joke to himself, that no one else was suppose to GET. A song that he wrote that he just happened to give to his sister (so as not to rouse any suspicion about his skills in the bedroom...ie Diana ;)

I see you Mike! "Virgin" my arse.  8-)  :lol:

More "inside info"...

Quote
Incogneato:
diana...not sure if she was his first...but the relationship went on for a while. and she didnt like him around other females...

after thriller it became difficult for that to continue in secret. he wanted to go public with it, she did not. she ended up marrying someone else and basically this caused michael to go into a deep depression. he got over her eventually but for a long time he didnt even refer to her as diana. he would just say "that woman". he still loved her though.

When Mike sees
something he likes he tends to stick with it. A LOT of the ladies he messed wit are older and are wealthy.

Oh, the family KNOWS! Especially the brothers. They would ALWAYS tease Michael saying you ain't so innocent now. And they ALL know about Diana Ross. Even Mama Katherine. Katherine and Diana get along well now and Diana HAS seen the kids since Mike's passing.

Well, Diana was his first. The brothers were just happy he was messin' around with someone. Also, Katherine and Diana have been cordial for years. At first Katherine was jealous of Michael and Diana's relationship. Kinda like "that's MY son!" because they were very close when Mike was young. However, after she found out their backstory from Michael and how enjoyable she made his childhood despite the biz n all, she came around.

A "source" stated that michael had his first time with diana when he was 20. right b4 off the wall came out. michael  was "addicted" to her. called her alot. bought her gifts. katherine knew because he told her. she wasnt happy. he also told janet. told katherine that he was going to marry diana. katherine told him it wasnt gonna happen. told him to watch out. diana got with gene simmons but was still sleeping with michael. he called himself "breaking it off". so he started hanging out with brooke shields but he wasnt interested in her "like that". hooks up with diana again.

mj would disappear sometimes. (yes we all know this). and when he would return he would avoid questions about his whereabouts. supposedly katherine was worried because "she didnt like him just leaving without telling her goodbye at least".
one particular weekend he disappeared and came back "happier than usual" and was
"talking about getting married and kids". this was in 83.

yall keep in mind mj could have been going ANYWHERE when he would vanish from his fam's house. tmz wasnt invented yet...
they say diana.

Thats all i got for yall.


Eye-opening, huh?
« Last Edit: May 07, 2010, 05:58:09 PM by MSMJFANFOREVER »

Offline MSMJFANFOREVER

  • *
  • Hoaxer
  • Posts: 549
    • Show only replies by MSMJFANFOREVER

Re: Why Dirty Diana is Diana Ross

  • on: May 07, 2010, 02:15:43 PM
[youtube:318lodyt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03MforKkw3U&feature=player_embedded[/youtube:318lodyt]

Michael knows damn well he didn't write this about a pet snake!
Sounds like Michael wrote it from.... her point of view, of how things he did "weren't enough" for her.



I bet anything... he asked for that split screen of him and Diana. He did say he controlled editing in his videos (WHICH COULD BE "APPLIED" TO MANY AREAS, IN REGARDS TO THE "HOAX") :?:


Another quote...

Quote
mj loved the movie Unfaithful....because he could relate to it. *coughs*Diana Ross/Robert Silberstein/Michael Jackson*coughs*

Bernadette Stanis,(Thelma)from "Good Times", SUMS IT ALL UP...in this interview.


[youtube:318lodyt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRzpSwKvSMg&feature=player_embedded[/youtube:318lodyt]

I think she HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD! :D





They must've been **coughgettingitINcough** during this time.  
He's all CONFIDENT, like...I ain't worried about that hug cause she ain't goin' NOW WHERE.   :lol:  :lol:




MJs lyrics were telling.
Leave Me Alone"

I Don't Care What You Talkin'
'Bout Baby
I Don't Care What You Say
Don't You Come Walkin'
Beggin' Back Mama
I Don't Care Anyway
Time After Time I Gave You All Of My Money
No Excuses To Make
Ain't No Mountain That I
Can't Climb Baby

All Is Going My Way


Quote
Aint no mountain I can't climb is referencing The Supreme's song, but the eye-opener is that "Arnee" (Diane's husband), was an avid climber of "mountains" :lol: ... which also led to his death).  Hows that for IRONY?

I think she loved him, but really at that time and place there was no way. It would have ruined both of them. also he loved her and she prob thought he'd get over it.. this song also lets me now he wouldnt talk to her but she tried.

Also...in "just good friends".... right after he says doggone lover, he adlibs 'mama', which is more than likely, his a nickname for diana.

It's funny, because Katherine is mother and Diana is "mama".


Now why did I just imagine Michael finding out everything he could about Arne when he found out who he was?

In the video, a peacock pops up when Michael sings the verse about a mountain.(see attachment!)



The Jackson's production company was called Peacock Productions but I don't think that's solely what Michael had in mind in the LMA video or the Dangerous album cover when he used the peacock. The cover is cryptic so it's open to interpretation.

Then there is the peacock which is on his nose. Which reminds me of this.... it was right under your nose...all along.  *HINT HINT*



Off topic, but I say that what we're looking for in regards this "hoax" is, somewhere, right in front of our eyes, people!  :o
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline MSMJFANFOREVER

  • *
  • Hoaxer
  • Posts: 549
    • Show only replies by MSMJFANFOREVER

Re: Why Dirty Diana is Diana Ross

  • on: May 07, 2010, 07:45:42 PM
Some more "dirt"....

*Paraphrasing*

Quote
reading mj's moms bio and she said mj loved his animals we all know about Prince and Proces and Lola and the other llama but there were a pair of peacocks winter and spring... so everyone knows what a may /december relationship is right? and we all know he said Diana was like a peacock, im just saying....  


Speaking of peacocks...this broach appears at the beginning of Moonwalker.
:o



LOL!! That man was so freaking clever. It's amazing how he continues to impress me....



She was nurturing like Katherine, fun like Janet, and probably a good lover.

Quote
One flick of my tongue changes
The meaning of the world
And you say

That's impossible
That's not impossible to do, oh
And you digest what I can see
The taste of you can be

I know the universal law
Primeval times
With a little stimulation
It'll come once more, and you say


A lot of people don't really like Diana but they accept the fact that he loved her. That's basically how I feel. I think the depth of his love for her is fascinating.


« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

this1crazygirl

  • *
  • Guest
    • Show only replies by this1crazygirl

Re: Why Dirty Diana is Diana Ross

  • on: May 08, 2010, 12:27:54 AM
by MSMJFANFOREVER

your siggy emerald city hotel clip!!! when i noticed it i was like yea the wiz... then MJ walking in "shit just got real" ROTF!!!! I LOVE IT!!! :D  :D  :lol:  :lol:
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline MSMJFANFOREVER

  • *
  • Hoaxer
  • Posts: 549
    • Show only replies by MSMJFANFOREVER

Re: Why Dirty Diana is Diana Ross

  • on: May 08, 2010, 10:50:46 AM
Definitely....puts things in "perspective." ;)
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline alovesmichael

  • *
  • Hoaxer
  • Posts: 903
    • Show only replies by alovesmichael

Re: Why Dirty Diana is Diana Ross

  • on: May 08, 2010, 10:58:35 AM
@MSMJFANFOREVER

Your "digging" amazes me!  :D Thanks for sharing all that information. Imagine to be loved like that by Michael, *sigh* what a beautiful dream...
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline MSMJFANFOREVER

  • *
  • Hoaxer
  • Posts: 549
    • Show only replies by MSMJFANFOREVER

Re: Why Dirty Diana is Diana Ross

  • on: May 08, 2010, 11:28:23 AM
I can't take credit for all the "digging".  I found it on another site and transferred it here.

Found these quotes from another MJ board that are coming from a girl whose friend's mother was friends with Diana from the late 1970s to 1990s and then from the woman, herself.


Quote
Oh no I never knew Diana. My friend's mother knew her. They were friends. I just got a chance to speak with her she says that it was clearly evident that Michael was in love with her. She first met him when he and Diana were going to the AMA's in 1981 and she had to babysit Diana's children. She said that Michael looked handsome(of course) and that he was shy for a minute until Diana walked out of her bedroom Michael changed and he started opening up and talking and laughing. Diana, of course is not a shy person at all and Carry said that she seemed to bring out a more outgoing side in Michael. She said that Michael gave her big hugs and didnt seem to want to let go. And they would always seem to flirt and play around like Diana would run up behind Michael and start tickling his stomach and sometimes Michael would do the same thing. Oh, and she said that Diana would also sometimes sit in Michael's lap so the 1996 WMA's was not the first time she did it. She heard the tapes of that Rabbi guy and what Michael said about Brooke, she said that he must have loved Diana too at the same time. She mentioned to Diana that she thought that Michael was really interested in her and Diana said "oh please," and laughed. Carry said she wasnt sure what to make of that comment. She didnt know whether she meant that Diana didnt believe that Michael liked her in that way or if she was hiding something. She said that it was very sweet seeing them together. She said that there were times where she was looking after Diana's children and Michael and Diana would be in the living room talking for a while. She never butted in on their conversaiton of course because it she said it seemed private but she said that they looked lovely and they were very comfortable with each other and Diana's girls adored Michael, and he really loved them as well. She told me that she wished that they would have gotten together because they seemed made for each other. One more thing this is so cute, she said that Michael probably was sexually attracted to her as well. She said from time to time she would catch him looking at Diana's butt and she would nudge him in the side and he would turn to her and innocently say "what" like nothing happened. LOL!

Quote
Okay this time she told me a lot of details and I am going to try and type this without breaking into tears. Okay she said that there was definately some chemistry between them they would always laugh joke play around and stuff like that. They would have pillow fights and run in and outside the house with the kids. She told me that Diana could be a tomboy at times. Here is a quote somebody said about her from one of Diana's books. "She has a chameleon quality...one minute she's a little kid, a tomboy...the next minute she's a ver sophisticated woman." If any of you have read the Rabbi's book one of the transcripts Michael says that his perfect woman would be tomboyish but classy as well. Diana fit that mold exactly. Anyway Carry said that she wasnt sure of sexual chemistry especially on Diana side, she said she believed she was attracted to Michael but wasnt sure if there was a sexual attraction. But for Michael their definately was, he would look at her butt alot. She told me that Diana may not have had a lot of chest but she did have a butt!LOL So she said that Diana also loved children, she said that there were times when her girls would have their friends over and Diana would really interact with the children. She said that they were far more alike than they were different. She said that Diana and Michael one time went out together with her children on a boat that Diana had rented just so Michael could get out of his sheltered life. Diana cared about Michael very deeply and Michael cared about her very deeply. Carry then told me a story that one day Michael came to Diana's home in Conneticut completely took them both by surprise. He was in disguise a big afro, strange sunglasses, and a fake mustache. She said it was in 82, 83 or 84. She noticed something very different in Michael that day regarding Diana and what she told me broke my heart. She said they were all watching a movie together Michael and Diana was sitting on the couch and she and the kids were on the floor. Diana allowed Michael to wrap his arms around her waist and I am going to quote Carry directly: "the look on Michael's face when his arms was around her reminded me of the way my husband looked at me on our wedding day and I nearly cried." Then she said that she one day just asked Michael upfront what he felt about Diana and he said that he loved her with all of his heart.

She said that she met Arne and said that he was a nice man but she never in a million years thought that Diana would acually a man like him. She went to her wedding, she said she wasnt expecting Michael to be there even though Diana invited him and of course he didnt show up. She said she watched the 86 AMA's and got a little angry at Diana. She said she was thinking here you have a man right in front of you that loved the hell out of you, would probably do anything in this world for you and you marry somebody else who you have only known for two months! She also said that back then it was uncommon for women to date younger men especially ten years or more younger which Michael was 14 years younger. She said that she felt that Diana loved Michael romantically but didnt want to risk losing her career or the media frenzy.

Quote
No she said that Michael never proposed to Diana contrary to the belief. He told everyone else that he wanted to marry her but not her personally. She felt that Michael was too shy to ever ask her because even though he at times he was very comfortable around her there were other times where he seemed neverous and shy around her. She said that she imagined that those were the times that he really wanted to tell her that he loved her. So Diana never rejected him because he never asked her.

Quote
Hello all! I'm Carry that mjlover is talking about. I decided to make my own account on here so I can talk to you gals directly and I also have some more stories I like to tell. First, I like to tell you a bit about myself. I am 64 born and raised in LA. I met Diane or Diana in 1977 right before she left to film the Wiz. I was in a clothing store when she came in and we took intrest in the same shoes. We sat and talked for a while exchanged numbers and she said that she would get back in touch with me after the filming was over. About five or six months later she invited me over to her house to meet her children, she just had her three girls at this time. At that time I was an out of work nanny. She told me that she already had a nanny for her children but would let me watch them from time to time. She spoke of Michael loosely, not very much until I met him in 1981. I remember that he was very handsome that night in his sparkly red sweater. I have only seen him a few times. My guess would be at the most seven times, it could be less. I never sat down and had a long conversation with him. My conversations with him were very short and consisted of maybe one or two non personal questions. I know you gals want to know about the "relationship" between MJ and Diana. Well like I said I have never gotten into very personal details about their interaction but I could definately sense an attraction and chemistry from afar; moreso by Michael than Diana because Michael seemed to wear his heart on his sleeve. I have caught him staring at Diana, not just her butt(which he did at times) but just her and he would have this smile on his face. I definately knew that he was in love with her. Diana was a very good friend of mine and I moved to Conneticut with her and lived in an apartment which she helped me pay for. I was surprised to see Michael come all the way over to visit her from LA where he lived(if that aint love, I dont know what is). I am tired of typing now I will tell you gals more later.



There's so much more....you would be AMAZED!



« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline alovesmichael

  • *
  • Hoaxer
  • Posts: 903
    • Show only replies by alovesmichael

Re: Why Dirty Diana is Diana Ross

  • on: May 08, 2010, 12:13:51 PM
Do you think this person is reliable? I mean she's not telling us any outrageous things so it doesn't seem made up but still... You know how we've just come to question everything and everyone when it comes to Michael  :lol:
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline MSMJFANFOREVER

  • *
  • Hoaxer
  • Posts: 549
    • Show only replies by MSMJFANFOREVER

Re: Why Dirty Diana is Diana Ross

  • on: May 08, 2010, 12:28:13 PM
Well she's very "specific", with the details.  Parts of it could be exaggerated, I guess.  
Though....I, personally believe it's more TRUTH than fiction.

Especially the parts about spending time with her and her kids...watching her interact with them and probably envisioning himself in that setting (within a marriage).

From another fan...

Quote
Mike used the word "dance" as a metaphor for sex in his songs.

"Who would dance, on the floor, in the round" -Billie Jean

"To escape the world I have to enjoy that simple dance" -Blood on the Dancefloor.

he used dance as a metaphor to sex as orgasm is to death.


remeber that 1987 song i just died in your arms tonight? die is also another way to say climax. so it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that one out.

we really need to have a discussion about that 2000 watts song. the composition screams sexual innuendo. michael had help writing it though
[/i]

Mike seemed to enjoy expressive euphemisms & metaphors. I wonder how inventive those "special" words & terms were. I find it very interesting that some people won't even comment how words and names came about. Like Karen won't reveal how she got her nickname from Mike....


2000 Watts lyrics

Bass note, treble, stereo control, how low you go
Just enough to make your juices flow
Press play, don’t stop, rotate, too hot
You feel I’m real
I’m everything you need, so tell me what’s the deal

[CHORUS]
2000 Watts, 8 ohms, 200 volts, real strong
Too much of that, fuse blown
Be careful what you say don’t overload
2000 Watts, 8 ohms, 200 volts, real strong
Too much of that, fuse blown
Be careful what you say don’t overload

3D, high speed, feedback, Dolby
Release two or three, when I reach I can go ‘til I hit my peak
Compact steelo, chico, D-Lo, highpost lady
Shorty really wanna be there for me
-------------------------------------------------

This is what i found, sounds believable:

Quote
I'm a songwriter and I understand lyrics, I've done extensive research into MJ's songwriting method and techniques and what he's done here is use a metaphor for sex; it's about an orgasm.

VERSE ONE: Bass note, treble, stereo control, how low you go
Just enough to make your juices flow
Press play, don't stop, rotate, too hot
You feel I'm real
I'm everything you need, so tell me what's the deal

Verse one is about the foreplay; 'how low you go, juices flow, press play, ect...'
The beginning of the song is about the beginning of sex.

CHORUS: 2000 Watts, 8 ohms, 200 volts, real strong
Too much of that, fuse blown
Be careful what you say don't overload
2000 Watts, 8 ohms, 200 volts, real strong
Too much of that, fuse blown
Be careful what you say don't overload

The chorus is clearly the main part of the song. 2,000 watts = climax. The use of terms such as 'real strong' and 'fuse blown' are completely overt sexual innuendos.

VERSE TWO: 3D, high speed, feedback, Dolby
Release two or three, when I reach I can go 'til I hit my peak
Compact steelo, chico, D-Lo, highpost lady Shorty really wanna be there for me

This is also obvious; perhaps the most sexually vivid part of the song.
'Release two or three, when I reach I can go 'til I hit my peak' - sex.


Quote
3d, highspeed, feedback, dolby
release two or three can i, when i reach i can go til' i hit my peak.

this is what i'm talking about. it's sounds like the height of ecstacy is what he's referring to. or is it about technology??





7:05 on....
he's speaking to 'mama' (sweating to her too!)  :lol:
[youtube:33ckhi3j]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q65omaDcD00&feature=player_embedded[/youtube:33ckhi3j]

Quote
It seems that a lot of people have the thinking that ''what you see is what you get'' when it comes to the stars.

People thinks they have a clear idea of a celebrity's life because they read magazines, and watch paparazzi shots. I keep seeing thi9s kind of behavior.

So if they never saw or hear about Michael Jackson's sexual exploits or romantic life until he got married or have some proof of it, they'll say he was a virgin or has no interest in women until then.
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

this1crazygirl

  • *
  • Guest
    • Show only replies by this1crazygirl

Re: Why Dirty Diana is Diana Ross

  • on: May 08, 2010, 03:53:04 PM
I love to see the Jackson concert vids, especially when they dance in unison! and 1 thing I noticed yesterday, all the Jackson brothers got B-O-D-Y! wooo  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :geek:
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline alovesmichael

  • *
  • Hoaxer
  • Posts: 903
    • Show only replies by alovesmichael

Re: Why Dirty Diana is Diana Ross

  • on: May 09, 2010, 09:42:18 AM
What's Michael's nickname for Karen?
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline Its her

  • *
  • Hoaxer
  • Posts: 1137
    • Show only replies by Its her

Re: Why Dirty Diana is Diana Ross

  • on: May 09, 2010, 05:30:12 PM
Just because Diana Ross knew how to handle her man, doesn't mean she cougared "sweet innocent now-legal" Michael Jackson!  I know women like her, and I just have to marvel at how naturally, instinctively, freely, they love. Nothing stingy or artificial or manipulative about it. And nothing predatory.

All that glamourous aura and yet a kind, respectful heart. That's why he fell for HER. Sigh.

I think I would have died from the intrigue, just to have stumbled upon such sweetness in ANY man, ever, in my social circle (the men seemed to have been ALL DONE with that, if they ever were sweet, by the time they appeared before me; :? :roll:).

THAT is NOT :mad: :cry: something Miss Ross would have disrespected, especially having practically raised him during some of his formative years.

She had EYES; she HAD to KNOW what a priceless thang was well within her grasp. She also knew, (as women do!) that he had a hot bad crush on her. She had jaded MEN to manipulate and play with. She would NOT do that to my Boy. (OR his older brothers--they were all "family"; duh.)

He gave and gave and gave to her, on songs for her recordings and videos, which only made him fall harder for her beauty and seductive vibe in the WORK . The object of HIS affection, SEEMINGLY playing only to him, using HIS music and lyrics, HAD to be driving him crazy-MAD with undying LOVE, poor little guy!  And mostly, in the public eye.

I think she LOVED being seen with him, and LOVED HIM. He was a respectful, fascinating date, whom she didn't have to wrestle with afterwards, to earn her night out.

No baggage, just a good time with a beautiful young hottie, her FRIEND! She knew he was shy, and probably was helping him to "get out" socially. She also was a convenient, UNCOMPLICATED date for him---he didn't have to submit to a mad groping, EITHER, from someone he merely took out to an event (SSSSHEEEESH!).

I think I know she loved his pure heart and innocent soul and wouldn't hurt him or harm THAT friendship, for ANYTHING.

He's said a few times that the romance part was all in his head. Why don't you all BELIEVE him?  Why embarrass him?

 There's no shame in that.

It only PROVES that his romantic/people instincts were good, in his choice of the object of his devotion---that she WAS a beautiful (and a trustworthy, quality) person inside and out.
He named the girl in the song, "Diana" because he likes the name. Look at his fascination with "Lady Di".  Not such a mystery. All the peacock symbolism is just MJ PLAYIN' witcha!!! There are lots of symbols all over all his stuff. Anyway, wouldn't Diana be like a "PeaHEN"?  FYI, the cock is the boy...

There's the other thing, too.  Michael always gets what Michael goes after, and he ALWAYS goes after what he REALLY wants. He realized THAT was a puppy love. He knew what he wanted and she, somehow, sometimes, was not... quite... IT.  Fever aside, and her dating other men, provided the clarity required to step back objectively and break free of her spell (and having learned how to hypnotically ensnare all of us, from the way she made HIM feel...,  moved on to put it to some good use, winning the rest of the world and financing his charities). Anyway...

Just curious...He can have any young thing he wants. Why dredge up this old gossip, when there are recent (before June 2009) pictures of him all over the internet, with at least four different YOUNG chicks sitting on his lap? I tried to find this particularly juicy one, I saw before I came here today,  but it was mysteriously pulled. :( I'll keep looking.
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »
ONLY Believe...

Offline alovesmichael

  • *
  • Hoaxer
  • Posts: 903
    • Show only replies by alovesmichael

Re: Why Dirty Diana is Diana Ross

  • on: May 09, 2010, 10:07:17 PM
Perhaps he realized it was puppy love after Diana decided to marry someone else? If Diana had wanted a proper relationship with Michael, or even marry him, I don't think he would've hesitated a second  :lol: . The only time I've heard "Michael" say the romance was only in his head is in the Glenda tapes, does that mean you believe they're for real or have you heard him say that somewhere else?
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline Willa

  • *
  • Hoaxer
  • Posts: 24
    • Show only replies by Willa

Re: Why Dirty Diana is Diana Ross

  • on: May 10, 2010, 12:20:29 PM
Here is the thought that occurred to me when reading the previous couple of posts.  When Michael was young - in the late 1970's and early 1980's, he was probably quite a bit more mature than most of the girls who were the same age.  At that time kids in college loved to party a lot and use alcohol and drugs.  He was caught up in wanting to be around kids his own age and wanting to understand them, but not really being a part of the whole scene.  So he tended to be more of an observer when he was with people his own age.  He was able to relate better to someone who was older because of his own maturity level at the time.  So that brought him to have more of an attraction for Diana Ross, in addition to the fact that they had known each other for such a long time.
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline Its her

  • *
  • Hoaxer
  • Posts: 1137
    • Show only replies by Its her

Re: Why Dirty Diana is Diana Ross

  • on: May 11, 2010, 05:41:03 AM
Quote from: "alovesmichael"
Perhaps he realized it was puppy love after Diana decided to marry someone else? If Diana had wanted a proper relationship with Michael, or even marry him, I don't think he would've hesitated a second  :lol: . The only time I've heard "Michael" say the romance was only in his head is in the Glenda tapes, does that mean you believe they're for real or have you heard him say that somewhere else?

I did hear what sounds like MJ on the Glenda tapes. I believe (altho ANYthing can be faked digitally) those could be legitimate, as MJ has a reputation for talking at length on the phone with folk, AND being artlessly honest about things that most men don't admit---even to confidants...just not that sexy transcript of rumored tapes, which :roll: conveniently, no one can produce.

I'm certain I READ it somewhere, as well---maybe :? the MJ/Boteach book?  Not particularly about D.R., but, I'll wrack my brain and try to remember exactly where, he said his early "romances"  were completely innocent and mostly in his imagination, or theirs, wanting something "different" with someone who either wanted something else, or didn't think of him that way. Yeah, I bet it was the Michael Jackson Tapes book, but I'll flip through it again...

You know, when you've never been in love, interacting with a real  person, before, you're NEVER sure, if "this is it", or yeah, they like me, they touch me and let me touch them, but, Is This It?? :?  

We laugh, and kid around and tease each other.  We are relaxed with one another. We kinda-sorta KNOW stuff about each other---not secrets, really, but maybe little-known things about one another, just by virtue of proximity, making the relationship FEEL more intimate than it really is...But HOW do I tell if THIS is it?   How do I tell if they are meaning what I mean, when we hold hands, when he kisses me quickly because I'm silly and dear to him --or is he REALLY breaking the ice, hoping I'll kiss him back? and ON and ON...

Until something is DECLARED, and for some reason, there is SUCH a dance about who says it first---especially, if you're shy and not even sure it ISN'T all in your applehead... :roll: :oops:  No one wants to be wrong and feel foolish, gosh. It is becoming way TOO important to you, now. This thing CAN'T go wrong...You can FEEL like you're "involved" with someone, without them even being in it AT ALL with you, even to the point that you "just KNOW" they have feelings for you, they are just hesitant to declare...

But...they actually don't. It is ALL your perspective and inexperience, and wishful thinking, COLORING everything they do or say; every look, touch, act of consideration...when all the time they are just being nice to someone they feel safe with(no tension or expectations, because they believe YOU are just being nice and friendly, yourself, as YOU are keeping your true HOT feelings a secret!).

If the other person KNEW that you were misunderstanding their intentions, they would be mindful of all that unconcious touching, stirring you up. A nice person, who did actually LIKE you, wouldn't feed your misery once they knew you had it bad for them.

I really think that's what was going on. Ms. Ross has always been very hands-on, spontaneous, and affectionate. They knew each other well, worked together some, and had alot to talk about. I don't think she knew how deeply he felt, because he was so reserved. [MAN! 8-) I love that :D ] How's a neophyte to know the difference between an affectionate squeeze and a HOLY MELTdown :o , Batman :!:, kind of embrace---when EVERY touch or look that loved one gives you causes lightning to strike when it's all new to you??

I can see it (the insecurity, self-questioning, melting love and angst!!) on his face in alot of pictures, and, it ALL comes back to me, too, every twinge of :oops: . I don't think you EVER get over being SO wrong, even though you SEE, "ok, yup, I misread you, whatever, I get it ..."--because it felt so right and true!!  Ah, Love...:roll:
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »
ONLY Believe...

Offline MSMJFANFOREVER

  • *
  • Hoaxer
  • Posts: 549
    • Show only replies by MSMJFANFOREVER

Re: Why Dirty Diana is Diana Ross

  • on: May 17, 2010, 08:14:04 PM
[youtube:xcnfynd6]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qq5eKT-hbGE&feature=player_embedded[/youtube:xcnfynd6]

She might be "hiding" MJ, under that gown. :lol:





[youtube:xcnfynd6]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJI9ydLU5R0&feature=player_embedded[/youtube:xcnfynd6]

http://http://www.metrolyrics.com/not-over-you-yet-lyrics-diana-ross.html









« Last Edit: May 17, 2010, 10:16:23 PM by MSMJFANFOREVER »

Offline DancingTheDream

  • *
  • Hoaxer
  • Posts: 4923
    • Show only replies by DancingTheDream

Re: Why Dirty Diana is Diana Ross

  • on: May 17, 2010, 10:10:18 PM
This is an amazing thread.  I think MJ never let Diana go from his heart...
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline alovesmichael

  • *
  • Hoaxer
  • Posts: 903
    • Show only replies by alovesmichael

Re: Why Dirty Diana is Diana Ross

  • on: May 18, 2010, 05:56:10 PM
Am I the only one crying my eyes out to Diana's tribute?  :cry:  I saw another version where one could see her sing more of "Missin you" with Michael's beautiful face in the background and that really made me cry rivers... And she seemed to choking be on her words/lyrics a bit but that might just be me. Idk what to think, it's really hard to believe that Michae's still around physically. If there was a hoax I'd think people like Diana and Stevie would know about it but to everyone that has seen Stevie's tributes to Michael, that is real grief and sadness  :cry: . It is not fake, just like one can't  really hide joy or love.
« Last Edit: June 02, 2010, 03:29:16 PM by alovesmichael »

Offline MSMJFANFOREVER

  • *
  • Hoaxer
  • Posts: 549
    • Show only replies by MSMJFANFOREVER

Re: Why Dirty Diana is Diana Ross

  • on: May 29, 2010, 05:40:14 PM
From another MJ & DIana fan site...





Quote
Well, when it comes to these two I don't believe in coincidences it's like they are constantly calling out to each other through their music. Their albums above the way they are sooo similar...they both record Smile, Michael sings You Are Not Alone and then Diana covers it in 1995 or 1996 in support of Michael due to the allegations against him, did you know that Diana's last tour was also called 'This Is It' and then Michael calls his last tour 'This Is It'?

Their relationship is truly a mystery and amazing at the same time. They had something so special that is rare to find.


Diana, at almost 60!
I could only HOPE to look that good!



her boys are so handsome.

Quote
pay attention to jewelry by Diana ..
She often wears the same jewelry no matter the color of his clothes ..
these jewels were bought from Mike ... Why I say that is because every time that Diana was with Mike the whole time she had the same earrings, bracelets the same, and the same necklace .. when she's not wearing the jewelry there is means they are angry .. As in 1986 to Musics Awards she not wore the jewels Mike ..
And I also noticed something in the movie Moonwalker there a rabbit on the cover .. And this rabbit you can find it in some clothes of Diana, earrings...




Quote
So, Diana in 1999 was separated from Arne and Michael divorces Debbie in 1999...is that a coincidence? I'm beginning to think it's NOT! And I think Mike and Diana re-connected their love in the 2000s which is probably why LMP was so pissed off and bashed him all over the place.

Another thing about the song Dirty Diana I do believe it was about Michael's heartache towards her but did you know that she used the introduction of DD in her cd 'The Greatest Hits Live' released in 1989
which I find very interesting. Also, I think a lot of his songs have to do with her and I read on the MJJB that Michael gave some of his awards he won to Diana for her inspiration...lol! Some of the songs I think that are about Diana are:

Who Is It (why would he use a card with Diana and it sounds like their love story gone wrong when she married Arne)
Give In To Me
Remember The Time
The Way You Make Me Feel
Dirty Diana
I Just Can't Stop Loving You
Lady In My Life

I find it interesting that Mike called Diana about the Invincible album because she was also the first to see his Thriller video. And I do think Michael loved bitchface Lisa but she only had part of his love...Diana was his whole heart...you can see it 4 months after his divorce at the WMAs and his adoring eyes at Diana with the blonde wig.


I think they resumed their relationship in late 1995, and the same year the press had announced that the marriage of Diana and Arnes was in trouble ..
And some months after Diana was the first reaches the hospital.
Then musics awards, and I find a video, WHERE Evan said they were with Mike in london during the running history .. But the press had shown only Lisa, they did not know that Diana was there too .. Of course Mike did it on purpose to put Lisa before, in order to hide Diana ..


[youtube:3l10xpul]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AD5amLxgtyY[/youtube:3l10xpul]


We all remember this Evan's interview where he said that once they stayed in London with Michael and it was rather funny


Michael Jackson Movie Premiere 2 this is the videoWhen could it be? I looked through Michael's and Diana's tours trying to find the dates when they could be in the same time in the same place.. Evan said that they were young, so could it be some of these dates or among them? Evan was 11 years old...
Diana's concerts:
09 July 1997 - London, UK
11 July 1997 - Glasgow, UK
12 July 1997 - Manchester, UK
Michael's concerts:
July 09, 1997 - Sheffield U.K.
July 12, 1997 - London U.K.
July 15, 1997 - London U.K.
July 17, 1997 - London U.K.

« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline angelwings

  • *
  • Hoaxer
  • Posts: 112
    • Show only replies by angelwings

Re: Why Dirty Diana is Diana Ross

  • on: May 29, 2010, 06:44:45 PM
This is an interesting conclusion, but ..wow?  Diana and Michael were friends for years, she loved him like a mother at age 10....even many years after the song Dirty Diana.  Diana Ross was already a huge star before she met Michael so she didn't need his help with her career, her beautiful voice preceded her.  Michael watched and learned from her how to perform and captivate an audience.  No doubt he loved her and trusted her to always be there for him.  This friendship was so deep he included her in his will and.... left his most prized possession to her, his kids ...if his own mother was unable to take care of them.  She is a woman of integrity who has never once spoken out about their friendship to gain money from which we know she could easily do.  So my question, is how could she and Michael remain close friends after if he publicly humiliated her with such a branding song about their personal relationship and her trampy ways....right?  Does that sound remotely like something MJ would do?  Wouldn't he be concerned she would do the same to his son?    Remember,  Michael hated gossip ....and he can still read.  How would he feel about his friend he still loves being accused of something she may have never done?  
 



Quote from: "mykidsmum"
Hi everyone, I know lots of people won't agree with me and MJ himself said that this song is about certain types of fans, but I believe this song is about Diana Ross.
was doing some hunting online today and came across a woman named Antoinette Holmes (google her name to see her story) she was one of the presidents of the first J5 fan club and often baby sat the group.  It was at a hotel when she was babysitting that a 10 year old MJ confided in her that he was having sex with his older "girlfriend"  This woman said the person was a huge celebrity and she didn't name her...I think we all know who it was... (for what it is worth, I give Diana credit, I don't think she was sleeping with a 10 year old, but I think little Mike just wanted to seem cool about the LOVE of his life) any way, I found many things about their relationship...that MJ and Diana were supposed to get married when MJ was 18 but Diana pulled out of that.  There is a new biography out about Diana.  It says that Diana basically slept her way to the top.  We all know Diana had an affair with Barry Gordy and many others in the line.  There is a rumour that Diana didn't go to MJ's funeral because she and MJ's mother are in a feud.  I think Katherine is mad at her from getting involved with MJ at such a young age.  Any way, stay with me...here are they lyrics and I will tell you how they fit Diana:

You'll never make me stay
So take your weight off of me
I know your every move
So won't you just let me be
this song is written around the time that MJ was hurt that Diana didn't stick to the plan to get married when MJ turned 18 and he is still upset about it and wants to leave, he knows her every move now, how she contrives to make him believe that he is the one
I've been here times before
he's been with her and in the position he is in with her many times, the position of believing the things she says
But I was to blind to see
That you seduce every man
he now can see how she has slept with many men and worked her way up, she managed seducing MJ too at a young age, not saying it was sexual but she got his affections
This time you won't seduce me
He's realized now that she has seduced him in the past and this time is aware of it and isn't going to allow it to happen this time

She's saying that's ok
Hey baby do what you please
this is a great section of the song...this is Diana's reaction to his anger about how she led him along, she is saying, no big deal, say and do what you want, I don't care but...
I have the stuff the you want
I am the thing that you need
we all know how MJ formed a bond with Diana early on to a point where he was in love with her and really needed her, she was someone who was giving him the affection and love he needed and craved

She looked me deep in the eyes
She's touchin' me so to start
She says there's no turnin' back
they have already gone too far, they are too into each other and there is no going back to how things used to be or that she isn't going back or turning back to the promise she made him, she has gone beyond that silly promise that MJ took so seriously and thought would happen
She trapped me in her heart
this is so expressive of MJ and says so much.  She trapped MJ in her heart.  Meaning that at an early age MJ was devoted to her and was unable to look at anyone else and really was looking forward to being 18.  He was "TRAPPED" by her and this song arises out of resentment that he wasted his time and years on something that wasn't going to be

Dirty Diana, nah
Dirty Diana, nah
Dirty Diana, no
Dirty Diana
Let me be!
you crossed me, you didn't keep your word, i wasted my life loving you, why did you do this to me...just leave me alone in my pain...let me be!  let me get over you!

Oh no...
Oh no...
Oh no...

She likes the boys in the band
She knows when they come to town
Every musician's fan after the
curtain comes down
She waits at backstage doors
For those who have prestige
Who promise fortune and fame
A life that's so carefree
now this is the section that people say is definitely about a groupie, but, take it like this...MJ realized that she sleeps around, she likes musicians who can further her career.  she knows and waits for the ones who have prestige and promise what she wants...she stabbed the supremes in the back to get to the top as well, MJ is finally becoming aware of what she does, I think that it is with age and growing up that he sees these things now and has no problem degrading her, throwing it in her face that this is all she really is, just this person who screws around to get to the top and I think he spits this out at her to hurt her.

She's says that's ok
Hey baby do what you want
I'll be your night lovin' thing
I'll be the freak you can taunt
And I don't care what you say
I want to go too far
I'll be your everything
If you make me a star
here, I don't think this is what she is saying to MJ...I think this relates to the above verse.  I think this is what she is saying to the men who can get her to the top. MJ is giving us a narrative of what he has learned about her I think he is mocking her and telling her what he knows about her... The verse "i want to go to far" could mean far as in career wise...
Dirty Diana, nah
Dirty Diana, nah
Dirty Diana, no
Dirty Diana...
Dirty Diana, nah
Dirty Diana, nah
Dirty Diana, nah
Dirty Diana, no
Dirty Diana...
Diana!
Diana!
Dirty Diana!
It's Dia...aa...aa...ana!

She said I have to go home
'Cause I'me real tired you see
this verse shows it's the end of the argument, the confrontation, there is nothing more to argue about, she is not apologizing and everyone is just tired...she needs to go home.
But I hate sleppin' alone
Why don't you come with me
now despite everything that went on in the above, the broken promise of a future, MJ finding out she used him and seduced him into loving her, his realization that she slept around...she doesn't want to let go and wants to keep things how they are...she is discounting MJ's feelings

I said my baby's at home
now, baby doesn't have to mean a girlfriend.  Everyone knows that MJ lived at home until he was almost 30.  The song wanna be starting something is about his sister LaToya and the problems she was having with her brother's wives, in the song he calls her his baby.  The sisters played girlfriends of the brothers in the Jacksons comedy show they did and I think LaToya even played a love interest of MJ in a video (say say say i think) so it's no secret to make his song marketable for the public and fans, he's not gonna say my sister or my mother...LOL!
She's probably worried tonight
this could me LaToya, they had a very close relationship, or it could be his mother.
I didn't call on the phone to
Say that I'm alright

Diana walked up to me,
She said I'm all yours tonight
again, she sees that MJ isn't playing her game anymore and she is in danger of losing him so like lots of women who are about to get the boot, they try to hold on.
At that I ran to the phone
he ran because he want's to get out of the situation he still loves her and knows it will be so easy for her to say something to get him back so he runs before her words get to him and he caves and goes with her
Sayin' baby I'm alright
I said but unlock the door.
Because I forgot the key.
She said he's not coming back
Because he's sleeping with me
now, this could mean a few things...If Kate didn't know about the extent of the relationship between Diana and MJ and MJ has decided this is the end, Diana is grasping at straws and takes this opportune moment to say...oh yeah...I'm gonna tell your mother our little secret!  Also it is rumored that Kate was jealous of the time that MJ lived with MJ and never got over the fact that MJ turned to Diana instead of her.  Kate saw Diana as a replacement mother figure and here Diana is finally spilling the beans and saying..."oh yeah, you thought it was a mother son relationship...ha ha...he's sleeping with me, he's not coming back home to you to cry.  She sees that he is serious and he's not gonna accept a casual relationship and wants it to end...The realization makes her spill their secret.  Also, MJ has spoken about how relationships and things that happen in them are not spoken about in his family and that he would be so embarassed to even have his mother at his wedding.  I see this also as a last jab, she embarasses MJ...
This is just like a typical break up scene... The one being accused of sleeping around plays it off...no big deal...ok, your upset, lets go home now and things will be better in the morning...what? your not coming back?  Fine!  Do whatever you want, see if I care...but I can take care of you tonight, we can cuddle and ...Fine...you don't want me anymore...F-you!  Hey!  MOM!  Your little boy here...he's not so little...ha ha ha...now go home to mommy!  (that was my version of Dirty Diana in a nutshell...LOL)

Ok guys, that is why I think the song is about Diana...LOL  enjoy.


« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline MSMJFANFOREVER

  • *
  • Hoaxer
  • Posts: 549
    • Show only replies by MSMJFANFOREVER

Re: Why Dirty Diana is Diana Ross

  • on: June 02, 2010, 02:29:08 PM










« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline MSMJFANFOREVER

  • *
  • Hoaxer
  • Posts: 549
    • Show only replies by MSMJFANFOREVER

Re: Why Dirty Diana is Diana Ross

  • on: June 03, 2010, 09:09:49 AM
At 9:40, notice how Michael starts to walk towards Diana and then he suddenly changes his direction? It's like he suddenly remembered "Oh yeah, I have to accept the award first and then hug Diana. Either Michael reminded himself or Diana did. He almost forgot to keep it professional lol. At 9:52, is that the part when Michael says "I love you princess?"


I think it's so telling how she continually loses her train of thought, whenever she's addressing him publically (ie..at the end where she can't get the words together).  This is the 2ndvideo where we've seen this.  :D

[youtube:22m3fu8h]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIHL__OEhOI&feature=player_embedded[/youtube:22m3fu8h]
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline MashMike

  • *
  • Hoaxer
  • Posts: 1312
  • Love You Most, Michael
    • Show only replies by MashMike

Re: Why Dirty Diana is Diana Ross

  • on: June 03, 2010, 10:52:36 AM
while readin' all this info(by the way thanx for that info) i had a very sad feeling, dunno why but my heart sunk i remember during Michael's 30th anniversary when  "i just can't stop loving you" was performed he looked so so sad as if he recalled smb whom he loved, really very sad and i keen to thinkin' that it was DR
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »
NO BROKEN BRIDGES CAN TURN US AROUND,CAUSE WHAT WE\'RE SEARCHING FOR, WILL SOON BE FOUND,CAUSE WE\'RE ALMOST THERE, JUST ONE MORE STEP,JUST ONE MORE STEP,DON\'T GIVE UP CAUSE WE\'RE ALMOST THERE

Offline DancingTheDream

  • *
  • Hoaxer
  • Posts: 4923
    • Show only replies by DancingTheDream

Re: Why Dirty Diana is Diana Ross

  • on: June 04, 2010, 01:41:35 PM
Im really liking this.  Dirty Diana is my fave song and this gives me goosebumps:

[youtube:3fq448lf]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AD5amLxgtyY&feature=player_embedded[/youtube:3fq448lf]

Also check the lyrics to some of Dianas songs:

Check some of her lyrics.  TAKE THE BITTER WITH THE SWEET:


You, heard somebody sayin'
That I loved another (ooh ooh ooh)
They don't know, it's not easy fakin'
Lies about your lover (ooh ooh ooh)
Nothing they could tell you
Would change the way it feels
But when they, try to come between us
We still have each other (ooh ooh ooh)

I've heard it all, and I have my faults
But I could never hurt you, I love you through it all

Take the bitter with the sweet
Two hearts are stronger together
Love can be forever
Take the bitter with the sweet
We can't let rumors affect us
We just, have to trust

I, want you more than ever
No matter what they told you (ooh ooh ooh)
If they pry, doesn't really matter
Long as I can hold you (ooh ooh ooh)

People can say what they want to say
But you know that I love you, it's better every day

Take the bitter with the sweet
Two hearts are stronger together
Love can be forever
Take the bitter with the sweet
We can't let rumors affect us
We just, have to trust
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline DancingTheDream

  • *
  • Hoaxer
  • Posts: 4923
    • Show only replies by DancingTheDream

Re: Why Dirty Diana is Diana Ross

  • on: June 07, 2010, 08:02:52 PM
Check this interview of Evan Ross out (son of Diana) - made before MJ left us

[youtube:la3gt85c]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbgFMX33NFk&feature=related[/youtube:la3gt85c]
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline MSMJFANFOREVER

  • *
  • Hoaxer
  • Posts: 549
    • Show only replies by MSMJFANFOREVER

Re: Why Dirty Diana is Diana Ross

  • on: June 09, 2010, 03:20:40 PM
Michael was Always thinking of Diana and no doubt....sending messages.

Coincidence?
















Quote
We all know that Michael liked Beyoncé very much.. As I remember people began to talk about it after WMA which took place in 2006...
"Beyoncé Knowles as Deena Jones. Based upon Motown star "Diana Ross" ("Dreamgirls", 2006)
















This is really Eerie...

He was constantly SHOWING Diana how much she influenced him, even YRS later.  That said, I think there was also a message to "US" in the process.

I think MJ has been trying to see if we're really paying attention, for decades.  To see how smart his fans are at picking up the little things, as well as the BLATANT.

When people speak of his accentric style, I think they miss the bigger point.  Nothing MJ did was "random"....and after seeing all these coincidences  I really think the answer to, whether or not,  he is still HERE...lies in everything we've "seen" of him within the last few yrs. (possibly MORE) preceeding his "death."

We need to really dissect his photo's, "appearances", music, etc...

THE ANSWERS ARE THERE!
 


« Last Edit: June 10, 2010, 09:52:17 AM by MSMJFANFOREVER »

Offline alovesmichael

  • *
  • Hoaxer
  • Posts: 903
    • Show only replies by alovesmichael

Re: Why Dirty Diana is Diana Ross

  • on: June 10, 2010, 06:09:40 AM
Quote from: "DancingTheDream"
Check this interview of Evan Ross out (son of Diana) - made before MJ left us

[youtube:3p8lieps]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbgFMX33NFk&feature=related[/youtube:3p8lieps]

 :shock:  :shock:  :o I think I like this guy...  :lol:
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline MSMJFANFOREVER

  • *
  • Hoaxer
  • Posts: 549
    • Show only replies by MSMJFANFOREVER

Re: Why Dirty Diana is Diana Ross

  • on: June 10, 2010, 09:31:59 AM
*cosign*



Oh the possibilities.....





« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline Hazzely

  • *
  • Hoaxer
  • Posts: 1443
    • Show only replies by Hazzely
    • https://twitter.com/Hazzely

Re: Why Dirty Diana is Diana Ross

  • on: June 18, 2010, 06:04:40 AM
I wrote a song called Dirty Diana. It was not about Lady Diana. It was about a certain kind of girls that hang around concerts or clubs, you know, they call them groupies.
Michael Jackson
Speaking to Barbara Walters.
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »
May your spirit keep the freedom of a butterfly in spring and your heart be filled always with the joys of simple things. May your essence claim the freshness of the new laid morning dew. All of this...and more...
Forever, http]
http://mjmylullaby.tumblr.com/

Offline MashMike

  • *
  • Hoaxer
  • Posts: 1312
  • Love You Most, Michael
    • Show only replies by MashMike

Re: Why Dirty Diana is Diana Ross

  • on: June 19, 2010, 04:22:29 AM
I'm 100% sure only for one fact, Diana was Michael's first great love whom he never forgot and whom he loved forever, Michael himself has stated in Moonwalk:"when i heard Diana Ross was getting married, I was happy for her because i knew it would make her joyous still it was hard for me because i had to walk around pretending to be overwhelmed that Diana was getting married to this man i'd never met, i wanted her to be happy but i have to admit i was a bit hurt and a little jealous because i've always loved her and will always love.". I think Diana was someone devine for Michael, an idol of a perfect woman and artist, he lived at her home a year when they came to Motown, half of the brothers would satay at Gordy's, others, including Michael, at Diana's.Diana was the first to develop in Michael a huge love and interest towards literature and art
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »
NO BROKEN BRIDGES CAN TURN US AROUND,CAUSE WHAT WE\'RE SEARCHING FOR, WILL SOON BE FOUND,CAUSE WE\'RE ALMOST THERE, JUST ONE MORE STEP,JUST ONE MORE STEP,DON\'T GIVE UP CAUSE WE\'RE ALMOST THERE

Offline DancingTheDream

  • *
  • Hoaxer
  • Posts: 4923
    • Show only replies by DancingTheDream

Re: Why Dirty Diana is Diana Ross

  • on: June 19, 2010, 03:01:57 PM
I found this picture:
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline Hazzely

  • *
  • Hoaxer
  • Posts: 1443
    • Show only replies by Hazzely
    • https://twitter.com/Hazzely

Re: Why Dirty Diana is Diana Ross

  • on: June 20, 2010, 04:29:37 AM
Quote from: "MashMike"
I'm 100% sure only for one fact, Diana was Michael's first great love whom he never forgot and whom he loved forever, Michael himself has stated in Moonwalk:"when i heard Diana Ross was getting married, I was happy for her because i knew it would make her joyous still it was hard for me because i had to walk around pretending to be overwhelmed that Diana was getting married to this man i'd never met, i wanted her to be happy but i have to admit i was a bit hurt and a little jealous because i've always loved her and will always love.". I think Diana was someone devine for Michael, an idol of a perfect woman and artist, he lived at her home a year when they came to Motown, half of the brothers would satay at Gordy's, others, including Michael, at Diana's.Diana was the first to develop in Michael a huge love and interest towards literature and art

[youtube:2nl1xopw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTD151jcF3k&feature=related[/youtube:2nl1xopw]
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »
May your spirit keep the freedom of a butterfly in spring and your heart be filled always with the joys of simple things. May your essence claim the freshness of the new laid morning dew. All of this...and more...
Forever, http]
http://mjmylullaby.tumblr.com/

Offline MSMJFANFOREVER

  • *
  • Hoaxer
  • Posts: 549
    • Show only replies by MSMJFANFOREVER

Re: Why Dirty Diana is Diana Ross

  • on: June 20, 2010, 08:51:59 PM
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline alovesmichael

  • *
  • Hoaxer
  • Posts: 903
    • Show only replies by alovesmichael

Re: Why Dirty Diana is Diana Ross

  • on: June 21, 2010, 07:24:41 AM
Do we believe those recorded phone calls though? Another member on this forum made some valid points to why they're questionable. I'm still not sure about them...

@DancingTheDream - love that picture! Michael's so so beautiful. I miss his magical smile...
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline MSMJFANFOREVER

  • *
  • Hoaxer
  • Posts: 549
    • Show only replies by MSMJFANFOREVER

Re: Why Dirty Diana is Diana Ross

  • on: September 03, 2010, 04:21:31 PM








« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline MSMJFANFOREVER

  • *
  • Hoaxer
  • Posts: 549
    • Show only replies by MSMJFANFOREVER

Re: Why Dirty Diana is Diana Ross

  • on: September 03, 2010, 04:50:56 PM
.......................
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline Jude

  • *
  • Hoaxer
  • Posts: 452
    • Show only replies by Jude

Re: Why Dirty Diana is Diana Ross

  • on: September 03, 2010, 05:27:24 PM
Theres only 1 thing I know for sure about DR, and that is, she has a smile that is pure FAKE!
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »
Get it togetha\', or leave it alone!

Offline MSMJFANFOREVER

  • *
  • Hoaxer
  • Posts: 549
    • Show only replies by MSMJFANFOREVER

Re: Why Dirty Diana is Diana Ross

  • on: September 03, 2010, 06:33:17 PM
What kind of bs statement is that?   You really felt then need to post just to say that?   What's "fake" about it? :roll:  :roll:
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline mumof3

  • *
  • Hoaxer
  • Posts: 1973
    • Show only replies by mumof3

Re: Why Dirty Diana is Diana Ross

  • on: September 03, 2010, 07:02:32 PM
It is good to look at your pictures and michael looks so happy when he is with diana but for some reason I can not warm to her I think she is beautifull and has a wonderfull voice but I am not so sure about her as a person
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline Jude

  • *
  • Hoaxer
  • Posts: 452
    • Show only replies by Jude

Re: Why Dirty Diana is Diana Ross

  • on: September 03, 2010, 07:09:53 PM
What I mean by a fake smile is, that it's just for show, no emotion in her eyes, she only does it for the camera. And for me, a fake smile is a fake person.
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »
Get it togetha\', or leave it alone!

Offline suspicious mind

  • *
  • Hoaxer
  • Posts: 5984
  • reading between the li_es
    • Show only replies by suspicious mind

Re: Why Dirty Diana is Diana Ross

  • on: September 03, 2010, 07:24:42 PM
didn't the man give an explaination as to what and who(as in the kind of person) the song was about?
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »
"I am sending you out like sheep among wolves. Therefore be shrewd as serpents and as innocent as doves."  




Why not just tell people I'm an alien from Mars? Tell them I eat live chickens and do a voodoo dance at midnight. They'll believe anything you say, because you're a reporter. But if I, Michael Jackson, were to say, "I'm an alien from Mars and I eat live chickens and do a voodoo dance at midnight," people would say, "Oh, man, that Michael Jackson is nuts. He's cracked up. You can't believe a single word that comes out of his mouth."

Offline alovesmichael

  • *
  • Hoaxer
  • Posts: 903
    • Show only replies by alovesmichael

Re: Why Dirty Diana is Diana Ross

  • on: September 04, 2010, 07:53:25 AM
Off topic and I might also have said it before but MSMJFANFOREVER, I adore your ADORE your Speed Demon (behind the scenes) gif!!! How adorable is he?!
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline Its her

  • *
  • Hoaxer
  • Posts: 1137
    • Show only replies by Its her

Re: Why Dirty Diana is Diana Ross

  • on: September 04, 2010, 08:39:12 AM
Quote from: "suspicious mind"
didn't the man give an explaination as to what and who(as in the kind of person) the song was about?

THANK YOU. Yeah, he did. He said already. Why not simply believe his words?  "Dirty" is NOT complementary, either, btw...  :oops: :x  :lol:  :lol:

I know alot of gals like to fantasize about MJ and DR, but, for me, THAT relationship being sexual is so kinky, I can't take it. :shock:  When I was 13, I was in love with someone 13 years my senior, and would have been silly putty in his hand if he had ever hit on me (which is why 13 year olds ARE jailbait :roll: !!). Seriously, anything for him...But he never was my caretaker.

Someone who was a substitute parent for me, for even as little as a year, when I was 10, would NEVER have turned sexual.

 Never ever.

Eewww. :oops:
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »
ONLY Believe...

Offline MSMJFANFOREVER

  • *
  • Hoaxer
  • Posts: 549
    • Show only replies by MSMJFANFOREVER

Re: Why Dirty Diana is Diana Ross

  • on: September 04, 2010, 09:01:48 AM
Everyone is entitled to their opinion.

Here's mine.  If you're so opposed to thinking about their relationship being possibly "intimate" then why come in this thread?

There are plenty that believe that MJ & LMP had this so called "great" relationship, which I personally don't agree with, but, i'm not trying to impose my objections down others throats.

Whatever you choose to believe is your business.  Again, if you're so bothered by others opinions...perhaps you shouldn't come in this thread.  We don't need the negativity.



Quote from: "alovesmichael"
Off topic and I might also have said it before but MSMJFANFOREVER, I adore your ADORE your Speed Demon (behind the scenes) gif!!! How adorable is he?!


Thanks...alovesmichael

I love it too.  He's gorgeous, and a hell of a "flirt!"


ONWARD....


« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline Its her

  • *
  • Hoaxer
  • Posts: 1137
    • Show only replies by Its her

Re: Why Dirty Diana is Diana Ross

  • on: September 04, 2010, 11:54:15 AM
Quote from: "MSMJFANFOREVER"
Everyone is entitled to their opinion.

Here's mine.  If you're so opposed to thinking about their relationship being possibly "intimate" then why come in this thread?

There are plenty that believe that MJ & LMP had this so called "great" relationship, which I personally don't agree with, but, i'm not trying to impose my objections down others throats.

Whatever you choose to believe is your business.  Again, if you're so bothered by others opinions...perhaps you shouldn't come in this thread.  We don't need the negativity.




A wise man once said, that one can throw a stone into a pack of dogs and he'll know if he connected by the one yelping. To address the yelping: First of all, I wasn't 'imposing my objections down others' throats'. It is called dialogue. I THOUGHT I was simply posting my opinion, in response to others who also posted opinions. I believe this is the purpose of the forum.  :?  

Please  :) don't be offended personally, I did not mention you by name, at all, until I responded to you, now.

I didn't bring negativity here. Child molestation is negativity. An older woman taking advantage of a hot young introvert is negativity. An older woman with multiple ex husbands, bedding sweet young MJ makes me sick, actually. Now THAT is some serious negativity. People here, suggesting it was ok for her to use him in this way, and there is no harm nor foul, simply because he was of age by that time, and believed it was a good thing, is negativity, as wrongdoing always IS. Why does this bother you so much?

I will always address this, as long as other people are discussing it, and the thread is still open.  You can't un-invite people to an open forum, girl!   ;)  :D  This isn't Amazon. :lol:
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »
ONLY Believe...

Offline DancingTheDream

  • *
  • Hoaxer
  • Posts: 4923
    • Show only replies by DancingTheDream

Re: Why Dirty Diana is Diana Ross

  • on: September 04, 2010, 12:08:03 PM
Gosh..  why does discussion over MJ and women always turn into arguments?
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline MSMJFANFOREVER

  • *
  • Hoaxer
  • Posts: 549
    • Show only replies by MSMJFANFOREVER

Re: Why Dirty Diana is Diana Ross

  • on: September 04, 2010, 02:02:16 PM
Whatever...

I'm gonna leave it alone.   Those comments aren't worth me getting upset over.   People can believe what they want to believe.  That said, I will post what I believe.  

No one is being forced to come into this thread.
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline truthprevails

  • *
  • Hoaxer
  • Posts: 878
    • Show only replies by truthprevails

Re: Why Dirty Diana is Diana Ross

  • on: September 04, 2010, 02:52:20 PM
MSMJFANFOREVER:
You said that you don't believe that passion/love for a person can be based on respect and admiration alone... Well, how about your passion for MJ, and that of thousands of women (and men) who were never intimate with MJ?!  I'm sure there are plenty of people out there who'd marry Michael in a second (or would have) despite the fact that they haven't even met him!!

Call it inspiration, or meeting of minds/souls, or kindred spirits... There are emotional bonds that are incredibly deep, and go beyond love in the physical sense - especially when it comes to a deep-feeling and deep-thinking man like MJ.  (He was no ordinary guy!)

The evidence (Michael's words, Diana's words, other insiders' words) is that the two of them had a very special relationship, but not a romantic/sexual relationship... (Despite MJ's infatuation.)  And I personally think it's wrong and disrespectful to speculate wildly on this topic, and create stories around it.  I think MJ has had enough of that from the media.

Look at this thread: It's gone way beyond stripping the lyrics of a song!
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline suspicious mind

  • *
  • Hoaxer
  • Posts: 5984
  • reading between the li_es
    • Show only replies by suspicious mind

Re: Why Dirty Diana is Diana Ross

  • on: September 04, 2010, 04:50:17 PM
Quote from: "truthprevails"
MSMJFANFOREVER:
You said that you don't believe that passion/love for a person can be based on respect and admiration alone... Well, how about your passion for MJ, and that of thousands of women (and men) who were never intimate with MJ?!  I'm sure there are plenty of people out there who'd marry Michael in a second (or would have) despite the fact that they haven't even met him!!

Call it inspiration, or meeting of minds/souls, or kindred spirits... There are emotional bonds that are incredibly deep, and go beyond love in the physical sense - especially when it comes to a deep-feeling and deep-thinking man like MJ.  (He was no ordinary guy!)

The evidence (Michael's words, Diana's words, other insiders' words) is that the two of them had a very special relationship, but not a romantic/sexual relationship... (Despite MJ's infatuation.)  And I personally think it's wrong and disrespectful to speculate wildly on this topic, and create stories around it.  I think MJ has had enough of that from the media.

Look at this thread: It's gone way beyond stripping the lyrics of a song!

michael was passionate about children
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »
"I am sending you out like sheep among wolves. Therefore be shrewd as serpents and as innocent as doves."  




Why not just tell people I'm an alien from Mars? Tell them I eat live chickens and do a voodoo dance at midnight. They'll believe anything you say, because you're a reporter. But if I, Michael Jackson, were to say, "I'm an alien from Mars and I eat live chickens and do a voodoo dance at midnight," people would say, "Oh, man, that Michael Jackson is nuts. He's cracked up. You can't believe a single word that comes out of his mouth."

 

Related Topics

  Subject / Started by Replies Last post
14 Replies
1271 Views
Last post December 29, 2009, 02:32:56 PM
by steffmaster1
2 Replies
340 Views
Last post December 14, 2009, 05:15:13 PM
by q0txciityl0ve
1 Replies
478 Views
Last post December 15, 2009, 05:36:29 PM
by hope
3 Replies
353 Views
Last post March 26, 2010, 10:12:23 AM
by simplyme
0 Replies
173 Views
Last post April 02, 2010, 11:01:36 AM
by MJmakesmespeechless