@@@ TimeLine Issue @@@ Explain this, Anyone, Anyone??

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Offline badkolo

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@@@ TimeLine Issue @@@ Explain this, Anyone, Anyone??

  • on: February 26, 2010, 08:42:47 AM
Im having an issue with the timeline, as you can clearly see there is something that doesnt make sense.
We are all aware of michaels schedule and the time he would would normally wake up and go have breakfast with his kids.
Now it has been said michael was suppose to either do more rehearsels that day or he was suppose to be working in one capacity or another.

well lets take a closer look at this so called timeline.
]I believe they said he arrived home at 12:30 am, I also have heard 1:00am, now he gets home and does one of 2 things depending on the time he arrived home. If he arrived at 12:30am then he could have seen his kids if they are awake at that time, or he did whatever michael does and then decided to go to sleep.

Or he arrived at 1 am and basicaly got undressed and  tried to go to sleep.
Now my issue starts right at the point of the time he arrives home and the first administered drug(valium pill). Did michael try to sleep first, if so then it couldnt be at 1:30 am becuase thats when he recieves the drug, dr murray said he gave him the valium BECUASE MICHAEL COULDNT SLEEP, well when did he go to sleep??.

Now lets forget that for a second and lets look closer at the time line and the fact that until 10:40 am michael didnt sleep according to the timeline. You can see in the photo at 1:30 he took a valium becuase he couldnt sleep(ok) then 30 minutes later he couldnt sleep so murray gave him lorazepam iv, then 1 hour later with no sleep to be had michael gets midazolam at 3am, while counting sheep and shaking his head he still couldnt sleep so at 5am murray injects him with lorazepam, but obviously that didnt help at all becuase he was awake and couldnt sleep and at 7:30am he recieved more midazolam just so he can get some shut eye because he hasnt slep yet and guess what??

HE STILL DOESNT GET ANY SLEEP becuase at 10:40 am murray finally gives in after 9hours of watching michael not sleep, the same michael who has to work in the afternoon, he finally decided to give michael the drug that michael fiens for so much, so much so that he called everyone form the nurse to chopra to god knows who to get it, but on this night, the night of all nights, he waits until 9 hours after struggling all night to get his propofol to get some sleep AND ALL AT 10:40AM

THATS 10 MINTUES PASS THETIME MICHAEL NORMALLY WAKES UP ACCORDING TO EVERYONE AROUND HIM.

SO WHAT IM CONFUSED ABOUT IS THIS, IF HE FINALLY FELL ASLEEP AT 10:40 AM,
WHEN WAS HE GOING TO GET UP TO GO TO WORK OR BE WITH HIS KIDS OR GET TO WORK, 8 HOURS LATER ?? SINCE HE DIDNT SLEEP ALL NIGHT AND WAS SUFFERING ALL NIGHT YOU WOULD THING THAT AFTER FALLLING ASLEEP AT 10:40 THAT HE WOULD GET AT LEAST 6 TO 8 HOURS OF SLEEP RIGHT.

so are we to believe that michael was going to get up at 7pm to go to work.???
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ITS ALL MY ARSE!!

he had enough stuff in him to knock out an elephant, yet he's still having stuff administered at gone 10.30am when his meetings started at 2pm as his choreographer and vocal coach said one meeting was at 2pm then one at 4pm

this is niggleing away at me, i'm glad you brought this up!!
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Kolo,

Great point!!

Ive mentioned the following before during the course of 8 months, but you know what Occams Razor is right? In case you or others dont know what it is, its a line of reasoning that says the simplest answer is the correct one.

For example: Crop Circles. some people believe they are formed by UFO's landing in wheat fields, others do not believe it.
So..........since we do not have ANY eveidence of a ufo actually landing on earth and flattening the wheat fields...no wierd chemicals, no wierd UFO droppings whatsoever, then Occams Razor would come into play here.........that Crop Circle are NOT made by ufo's but made by man.

So how does Occams Razor fit into this theory about the timeline the drugs were given?

See if you can figure it out...............Remember kids, the simplest line of reasoning would most likely be the correct one.

Again great post kolo!!!
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BADKOLO
you really make a point here, we are talking a lot of little things in this eight months, but this is a "litlle/huge" one.
 can´t believe that michael do that for himself, with the kids at the house. if he really can´t sleep all night long i think that at 10:30 he maybe have breakfast with the kids and don´t go to rehearsal and take a nap... ;)
btw: i have a video (bad quality one) that show one person who looks like MJ when the ambulance left the house that day but i can´t found it on YT and I don´t know how to upload can someone help me???
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[quote="
but i wonder why they did not look at other things

- warm meal
- warm bath or show
- shoulder, back or foot rub
- walm milk
- a bit of wine
- relaxing music
- watching an old movie[/quote]


hummm maybe bc he sleep very well hahahaha and this is all FAKE  :D
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Quote from: "_EarthSonG_"
[quote="
but i wonder why they did not look at other things

- warm meal
- warm bath or show
- shoulder, back or foot rub
- walm milk
- a bit of wine
- relaxing music
- watching an old movie


hummm maybe bc he sleep very well hahahaha and this is all FAKE  :D[/quote]


I do think he had some issues sleeping cus he has said it himself. HOWEVER, I do not beleive he had sleeping issues as bad as they say he did.
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Quote from: "THE JACKSONOLOGIST"
UFO droppings

 :lol:


Sorry, that was too funny.


But, I do agree that the timeline is WAY off!
Not just his "medication" timeline, but the timeline of what happened after Dr. Murray "found" Michael.
He had to change his story after the phone call to the patient was released.
It's one thing to leave the room because you received a phone call you couldn't miss, but why would you leave a patient you're supposed to monitor - who could DIE if you don't monitor them - to CALL a patient to tell him his test/diagnostics were ok?   :roll:
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There is another inconsistency with the timeline. Acording to the AR, Michael called Murray at approx 1:00 am with complaints that he could not sleep and felt dehydrated. At approximately 1:10 Murray then supposedly arrived at the MJJ residence.

Here's the inconsistency...Fans saw Michael leave Staples Center at 1:30 am.

How could he have complained not being able to sleep if he was still at the Staples Center when he supposedly made that call?

Timeline here
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TImeline is B>S> !! A dead giveaway for the HOAx!!! MJ is alive :)
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Quote from: "the arabian nights"
maybe mike just ran his own schedule - he determined what happened in his life, if he could make it he did if not pp waited.

if he could not sleep he would not be fit to work - so sleep was a priorty

but i wonder why they did not look at other things

- warm meal
- warm bath or show
- shoulder, back or foot rub
- walm milk
- a bit of wine
- relaxing music
- watching an old movie

Yes MJ like to have a glass of wine, I had one last night as passed out lol this def does the job plus working out w the hulk in the day that while help you sleep also. ;)
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I agree that there are many inconsistencies in the timeline because, plain and simple, it is made up.  MJ is alive. For all we know, he came home from the rehearsals, had a few words with his children and prepared for his departure. I am certain he left in the early hours of that morning. Hence, not eating with the children etc.  I find it very odd that the cook is not aware of more than she is letting on. Nobody would be so focused on the children that they wouldn't really be curious to know where/how Michael is.  Her cool as a cucumber attitude about this doesn't add up. Most people would live to see that man and almost become anxious when he didn't show up at his usual time. There is more to this story, for certain. And, may I ask, what has come of this cook? It is like she has fallen from the face of this planet.

Additionally, I am certain that MJ is a highly intelligent being who demonstrates deep spirituality and a curiosity for alternative methods of healing. I do believe that MJ would employ other means (besides propofol) to elicit sleep-----whether it be warm milk, a soak in the tub, massage, acupuncture, meditation etc.  He is very smart and very educated to modern means of medicine and knows what story will "work" for the hoax. It is quite convincing, isn't it??!?!?!?
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And don't forget the latest, the Murray was "mistaken" in his original statment to police and he actually gave the propofol at 11:40am not 10:40.... so even more fuel to your fire, Badkolo. Murray watched Michael not sleep for 10hrs before giving his drug of choice.

Also, what about reports that Murray had successfully given small amounts of propofol to induce sleep in the past to Michael... why wait 10hrs then if this system was so successful.

And WHY is this timeline so similar to the one under which PT Barnum died?

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If Murray was awake all night watching Michael not sleeping, he would have been too knackered to do anything.
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This is the most improbable story I have ever heard. I can't believe the media and the public are buying it. I think all hell is going to break loose during the trial.
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I've read an interview of one of the dancers and he said MJ went home at 1.30am. Sorry but I really don't remember wich dancer it was, it was a while ago. I remember I found it odd when I read that cause Murray suppose to have given him the sleeping drugs at 1.30.
Of topic but I was thinking since most meds are prescribed to your weight, maybe cause he lost so much weight during the rehearsals he was given too much of it (for his weight), just an idea.
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Quote from: "lisap27"
ITS ALL MY ARSE!!

he had enough stuff in him to knock out an elephant, yet he's still having stuff administered at gone 10.30am when his meetings started at 2pm as his choreographer and vocal coach said one meeting was at 2pm then one at 4pm

this is niggleing away at me, i'm glad you brought this up!!


LOL! It's all my Arse is right
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It's said he had propofol before.. But.. See all the things he had before he got propofol.. IS it always so much before giving him propofol? :lol:

It's so ridiculous.. Michael would indeed ask for getting killed, because so much drugs is dangerous.. Anyone knows that, and Murray should know that isn't good for a heart x)
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Quote from: "fannynanny"
Quote from: "lisap27"
ITS ALL MY ARSE!!

he had enough stuff in him to knock out an elephant, yet he's still having stuff administered at gone 10.30am when his meetings started at 2pm as his choreographer and vocal coach said one meeting was at 2pm then one at 4pm

this is niggleing away at me, i'm glad you brought this up!!


LOL! It's all my Arse is right

 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol: yes you are right
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Really alot doesn't make sense!
How could a person not fall asleep with all that stuff! Many years ago I took a one sleeping pill and I was already out in a few minutes! I don't believe he still couldn't sleep after even two different pills an needed propofol to put him under, which even isn't some sleeping aid. Ever had surgery, well when you wake up after do you feel like you had a good night rest?
Something just isn't right in all this but I just can't seem to get my finger on it! :roll:
And why do they all (JJ, Doc Murray,...)keep stating that everything will come out????
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yes that is exactly what I think, he had to go to work and he was druged... :roll:  yes sure and if he couldn't sleep I dont think he would be able to work that day I mean he could seem sleeping but couldn't get into rem right so when he would wake up he would be tired and with effects from the "cocktail" how in hell michael was going to be able for dance and sing I dont understand  :roll:
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This is exactly what sounded strange to me

-a dancer said Michael left at 1:30, and Murray said he gave the first drug at 1:30...Does Michael lived and slept on stage ?  He must have had at least 1h to get back home, going here and there in the house before going to bed, not sleeping and THEN asking for drug. And I totally agree for the fact that it's totally weird to wait 9h to get the good drug that will surely have him sleep, and decide to have it right at the moment he was supposed to be going at work.
And I really feel strange about Murray in this case : he's Michael's Dr. His only goal is surely to have him on his two legs for work. If your are not strong to say no for drugs, you don't wait 9h to give it. I mean, he has been resisting for 9 hours, leaving Michael like that, and knowing he had to get up next day ?
I mean if Michael was not sleeping at 10:40, I guess solution was to give him something not be sleep so that he could manage with the work coming...and try to sleep the next night.
Michael knew he had troubles to sleep, i guess he used to deal with it for weeks. Why be so "unprofessionnal" on that spécial day ?

thearabiannight : if sleeping was as easy as foot rub and warm shower.... :mrgreen:  Sometime you just can't sleep. It's not a question of being tired or feeling confortable. It's just something that totally struggles your will, and you are tired, but you just cannot decide to sleep. you always find something to do, you go from place to place, just avoiding the moment where you will have to try sleeping. You just hope that you'll have strongest will next time...
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another thing... we saw the rehearsals of june 23rd, what happen with the material of 24th? or they talk about 24 because was the 23rd late at night, already 24th? if this is the case: what are he dping on 24th?
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