i got 2 questions? from watching "Famous crime scenes"

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i got 2 questions? from watching "Famous crime scenes"

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im watching the episode of "Famous Crime Scene" of michael
and my questions are , if michael was already "dead" when the ambulance arrived , and was dead when they were working on him in the ambulance and at the hospital , then why did they lie for  30 minutes and told the public that he was in a coma instead of telling what really happened?

Question 2: during the reinactment ( i hope i spelled it right :oops: ) was it just me or did  "michael " look kinda like Navi? i was just wondering.
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To be more exact, there were different controversial announcements: died from heart attack, in coma, taken to hospital (no reason), because of cardiac arrest, prescription drug overdose. Every media full of fantasy on its way.
I think of this option: none of those officials were sure whether or not it was Michael (because gentleman was so much look like MJ  :D ) and were waiting until family arrives to identify. Then when family "identified" that it is MJ, they announced death. They justify the lie saying they were trying to revive already dead person for about an hour. Which  does not make sense.
That's why instead of doctor, as normally should be, Latoya signed death certificate eventually. Meaning, officials left identity responsibility  on the family. This is my version.
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i couldnt wait till 9 my time so i went to the website. the first thing i noticed after less than 30 seconds of watching that is incorrect is the 911 call. during the 911 call the operator says get him on the floor and then alvarez shouts get him on the floor. i never heard him tell dr murray get him on the floor during the 911 call. the operator tells him twice and he just ums or something but never shouts out get him on the floor.  :D  what a joke. hoax hoax hoax. why cant they get facts right.

ok i have more to add and then ill stop. the fire department guy that is talking and he talks shit about doing cpr on a bed and then says it was clear to the paramedics that this guy has been down for quite a while. why would they say this before trial. how would they get a jury together after this show makes absolutely no sense. none of it seems too tho.
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my[KING]"]i couldnt wait till 9 my time so i went to the website. the first thing i noticed after less than 30 seconds of watching that is incorrect is the 911 call. during the 911 call the operator says get him on the floor and then alvarez shouts get him on the floor. i never heard him tell dr murray get him on the floor during the 911 call. the operator tells him twice and he just ums or something but never shouts out get him on the floor.  :D  what a joke. hoax hoax hoax. why cant they get facts right.

ok i have more to add and then ill stop. the fire department guy that is talking and he talks shit about doing cpr on a bed and then says it was clear to the paramedics that this guy has been down for quite a while. why would they say this before trial. how would they get a jury together after this show makes absolutely no sense. none of it seems too tho.

I just started watching this tonight and I am about to change the channel. It's showing on VH1. I believe someone behind the scenes is tryng to disspell the Hoaxers theory that MJ is very much alive. I don't care because the man is alive and nothing is going to change that fact. Keep the Faith! :D
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You guys are so lucky to watch it.. Unfortunately we do not have VH1 CHANNEL in Canada.. Well in my area.. Please keep me posted if you can.
thanks.  :(
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It was very hard to watch.

Did anyone else notice they showed the video of our guy with the ponytail, walking through at the scene?
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Yes, and that was exactly when Ben Evanstad said "I got close enough to see that it was Michael."   :mrgreen:  :mrgreen:  I wonder if Michael drew the "brain" on the blackboard? :lol:  :lol:  :lol:   I also like the This Is It picture posted on the blackboard for identification of the victim.   :lol:  :lol:   This is SOOO entertaining.  It is the GREATEST SHOW ON EARTH!   :mrgreen:  :mrgreen:
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Did anyone tape this for those of us who can't watch VH1or have a link  to the episode on the internet:mrgreen:
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Did anyone tape this for those of us who can't watch VH1or have a link  to the episode on the internet:mrgreen:


Yes please do.. it would be very much appreciated.
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as I know .. if the person dead less than 2 hour .. the person can't be said he's dead officially .. I know this from my youth red cross's coach at school ..because he told us, when his mother passed away, the doctor pronounce his mother dead 2 hours later although his mother already dead 2 hours ago .. and when he asked the doctor, the doctor said if a person dead less than 2 hours, it's virtually not dead but coma .. :?
sorry my english is so bad, I hope you understand .. :|
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It was very hard to watch.

Did anyone else notice they showed the video of our guy with the ponytail, walking through at the scene?

Ponytail guy was as clear as day!! The whole thing was really a joke. Nothing new - just mainly for the general public. How will there be a trail after this ?  :lol:
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I can't believe this programme was even shown, would this not be reason enough for the defence to claim "bias in the media" when it comes to selecting a jury?????

I didn't see it but did they even mention the ambulance photo was fake?!?!?!  8-)
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i wonder if this is now on yt
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Quote from: "cry4mj101"
im watching the episode of "Famous Crime Scene" of michael
and my questions are , if michael was already "dead" when the ambulance arrived , and was dead when they were working on him in the ambulance and at the hospital , then why did they lie for  30 minutes and told the public that he was in a coma instead of telling what really happened?

Question 2: during the reinactment ( i hope i spelled it right :oops: ) was it just me or did  "michael " look kinda like Navi? i was just wondering.

very good thinking yes they did release that information
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Quote from: "cry4mj101"
im watching the episode of "Famous Crime Scene" of michael
and my questions are , if michael was already "dead" when the ambulance arrived , and was dead when they were working on him in the ambulance and at the hospital , then why did they lie for  30 minutes and told the public that he was in a coma instead of telling what really happened?

Question 2: during the reinactment ( i hope i spelled it right :oops: ) was it just me or did  "michael " look kinda like Navi? i was just wondering.

so why in this high profile case did the pp or the estate not get and injunction not to show this programme
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as I know .. if the person dead less than 2 hour .. the person can't be said he's dead officially .. I know this from my youth red cross's coach at school ..because he told us, when his mother passed away, the doctor pronounce his mother dead 2 hours later although his mother already dead 2 hours ago .. and when he asked the doctor, the doctor said if a person dead less than 2 hours, it's virtually not dead but coma .. :?
sorry my english is so bad, I hope you understand .. :|
I am sorry, but that is not true. If you're dead, you ARE indeed dead. You don't die for 2 hours. Unfortunatly I've watched too many people die, and as soon as they died, the doctor pronounced them dead, they didn't wait for two hours.
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dearies...i saw the mj's famous crime scene...im very sad...the vid is not good to see...im so fragile in this moment...but i still think he is alive even though....i'm afraid he never come back to us just as Elvis done before...he needs a private life...i respect his decision....but i miss him in a such deepest way...mj we will love u forever and we are showing you our strong effort and support also in this occasion...i hope you 'll give us a real sign of your...we need it...dont let us drive crazy....let me do some deductions ...i compared this fake of death to the Elvis fake 'cause there are so many similarities...especially the both bougus name :M. Joe Jackson= E. Aron Presley....M.joseph Jackson= E. Aaron Presley
maybe to be sure to dont be sued legally?Once mj said to L.M. Presley to woluld like to disappear as her father...i saw on youtube L.Marie.Presley on the Larry King show ...she did not replied to the most important question:"in wich way you feel connected to your father after his death?" she said "i don't want to reply"....so suspicious....dont u think?....in an interview..to Paris the journalist asked how mj miss to her....and she replied in a very suspicious way too:" is like he's still be with us"...strange sentence for a daughter who just looses her beloved father...well i dont want to condemn anybody...for this...are just my deductions to arrive to the point he's alive...and to say that he has a very important reason to hoax his death...live in our hearts forever beloved mj...
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Quote from: "LavdHim"
as I know .. if the person dead less than 2 hour .. the person can't be said he's dead officially .. I know this from my youth red cross's coach at school ..because he told us, when his mother passed away, the doctor pronounce his mother dead 2 hours later although his mother already dead 2 hours ago .. and when he asked the doctor, the doctor said if a person dead less than 2 hours, it's virtually not dead but coma .. :?
sorry my english is so bad, I hope you understand .. :|


That is completely wrong, sorry. As Chamone said, death is pronounced immediately. Your coach told u a complete nonsense
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I've got a third question:
How come in the videos they showed and said that Murray monitored him (which was completely useless in the first place because he went out from the room to use his mobile...), but everywhere since june we have seen or heard nothing about it, they said Murray absolutely not monitored him, which was one of the biggest problem in this whole situation :?
By the way when the paparazzi said that he went close to the house and could see Michael and they showed Michael with ponytail, that was just amazing  :D   I think we've got a significant clue people :!: :P
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Quote from: "LavdHim"
as I know .. if the person dead less than 2 hour .. the person can't be said he's dead officially .. I know this from my youth red cross's coach at school ..because he told us, when his mother passed away, the doctor pronounce his mother dead 2 hours later although his mother already dead 2 hours ago .. and when he asked the doctor, the doctor said if a person dead less than 2 hours, it's virtually not dead but coma .. :?
sorry my english is so bad, I hope you understand .. :|
At my work, the doctor waits 6 hours before it's officially. That's because there has to be safe death signs, = rigor mortis. But trust me, when they are dead, they are DEAD... Not in a coma, never heard of such rubbish, sorry, it was not to you.
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Does anyone have a link to watch this episode?
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You guys are so lucky to watch it.. Unfortunately we do not have VH1 CHANNEL in Canada.. Well in my area.. Please keep me posted if you can.
thanks.  :(
I hope this helps. This is the link to the show clips from VH1 website.
http://http://www.vh1.com/video/misc/487256/michael-jackson-what-really-happened.jhtml#id=1632635
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It was very hard to watch.

Did anyone else notice they showed the video of our guy with the ponytail, walking through at the scene?
I'd noticed the same thing. I am curious to why they would show that. I am going to watch it again it comes on. I think it airs tomorrw.
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I live in Canada so unfortunally I can't watch this or have VH1. Anyone have a link to the episode?

Much appericated.
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Does anyone have a link to watch this episode?

I hope these helps too, it's on youtube  :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgD4COfhrLU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SeF4cznV_sk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=105yQW0q8cM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QC4Lh9Cc2JY
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im not sure if this means anything but since it was a reinactment of what really surppose to happened,
when they had doctor murray coming down the stairs, shouldnt the actor atleast tried to fake an accent to sound like the doctor? or does the doctor really have an accent?

and what happened to him calling prince up the stairs? did they forget about that or something?
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looking at the pictures it looks like the look alike that did the sky news court room reenactment  am i right  what do you think
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looking at the pictures it looks like the look alike that did the sky news court room reenactment  am i right  what do you think

they do kinda look alike :)
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lol did you guys noticed our friend from TMZ (Ben) talking about how HE looked through the gates with his camera, the ambulance is further away...we see the mystery man stand up and then the TMZ man  (Ben) says "I could see it was michael jackson"

How can you see it was michael jackson if your filming about 3 seconds through the gates? with an ambulance somewhere in the corner and with those shaded glasses on the back of the ambulance?....soooo to me it would almost look like he's talking about the mystery man (pos. michael)?

Watch from 4:46 - 4:55
(At 4:50 is our mystery man aka michael?)

[youtube:2ie4e4yx]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgD4COfhrLU[/youtube:2ie4e4yx]

I totally agree. I was shocked that they even showed this. The pieces are slowly coming together. If it is MJ, he looks healthy.
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lol did you guys noticed our friend from TMZ (Ben) talking about how HE looked through the gates with his camera, the ambulance is further away...we see the mystery man stand up and then the TMZ man  (Ben) says "I could see it was michael jackson"

How can you see it was michael jackson if your filming about 3 seconds through the gates? with an ambulance somewhere in the corner and with those shaded glasses on the back of the ambulance?....soooo to me it would almost look like he's talking about the mystery man (pos. michael)?

Watch from 4:46 - 4:55
(At 4:50 is our mystery man aka michael?)

[youtube:2rzuwpg3]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgD4COfhrLU[/youtube:2rzuwpg3]

I totally agree. I was shocked that they even showed this. The pieces are slowly coming together. If it is MJ, he looks healthy.




Is it the man  Michael who is hiding between a tree trunk? He is alone? If it is him he does not look like Michael at all. He seems shorter..
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I saw the episode,my only answer to the question of why did they say MJ was in a coma,well who is they,no one from Michael's camp spoke about Michael's condition,just the media,Jermaine only confirmed MJ's death.
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If you pause at 5.03 (don't concentrate on the time, focus on the window of the ambulance) as someone moves into the window filming you can actually see the paramedic and the badge on his arm through the glass. This kind of suggests that you can see through those windows with a lens.
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BTW, is the mystery about the ponytailed 'person' on the stretcher sitting up now solved? It appears that it is indeed the paramedic at the stretcher with the ponytail (seen through the gap in the gates).
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BTW, is the mystery about the ponytailed 'person' on the stretcher sitting up now solved? It appears that it is indeed the paramedic at the stretcher with the ponytail (seen through the gap in the gates).

I thought we had found out that paramedics can't have long hair and also male paramedics wouldn't wear lipstick which you can see on the face of the person on the stretcher.
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I thought we had found out that paramedics can't have long hair and also male paramedics wouldn't wear lipstick which you can see on the face of the person on the stretcher.

It is clear in the video (through the gap), that there is a person in paramedic uniform with a tight ponytail. This person is directly attending to the stretcher. At the hospital we also see a person with a ponytail (very similar) in paramedic uniform. It would therefore appear to make sense that this is the same person. I am not aware of there being any picture out there that shows, with clarity, either the face of this 'mystery person' or that he wears lipstick.

I am sure there are rules about paramedics and hair, but when you see one with a clearly tied back ponytail, you cannot dispute the existence of him or the fact that rules can be broken - in any profession.

http://x17online.com/gallery/view_galle ... 062509_X17
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I thought we had found out that paramedics can't have long hair and also male paramedics wouldn't wear lipstick which you can see on the face of the person on the stretcher.

It is clear in the video (through the gap), that there is a person in paramedic uniform with a tight ponytail. This person is directly attending to the stretcher. At the hospital we also see a person with a ponytail (very similar) in paramedic uniform. It would therefore appear to make sense that this is the same person. I am not aware of there being any picture out there that shows, with clarity, either the face of this 'mystery person' or that he wears lipstick.

I am sure there are rules about paramedics and hair, but when you see one with a clearly tied back ponytail, you cannot dispute the existence of him or the fact that rules can be broken - in any profession.

http://x17online.com/gallery/view_galle ... 062509_X17
Then look at pic 4 there, it's Michaels face between to paramedics , and he wears sunglasses. Just crap that it's impossible to copy pics there.
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And look here :
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And the " paramedic " has no legs.[attachment=0:3qcbrijs]no legs.jpg[/attachment:3qcbrijs]
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Tina K - in photo 4 mystery person appears to have face side on. In pic 7, i can see the point you make about 'sunglasses'. There is a dark area around the eyes, but the pic is pretty blurry. A pity because it would reveal the face. Also, just to mention that the paramedic nearest the right door looks like he is wearing sunglasses in Pic 1. None of these pics can be used as definitive proof of MJ being there IMO. If it could be indentified as MJ there would be no discussion. Just saying the fact that this guy is in paramedic uniform for a start, and there was a paramedic attending the stretcher with ponytail behind the gates. It's a good possibility.
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I thought we had found out that paramedics can't have long hair and also male paramedics wouldn't wear lipstick which you can see on the face of the person on the stretcher.

It is clear in the video (through the gap), that there is a person in paramedic uniform with a tight ponytail. This person is directly attending to the stretcher. At the hospital we also see a person with a ponytail (very similar) in paramedic uniform. It would therefore appear to make sense that this is the same person. I am not aware of there being any picture out there that shows, with clarity, either the face of this 'mystery person' or that he wears lipstick.

I am sure there are rules about paramedics and hair, but when you see one with a clearly tied back ponytail, you cannot dispute the existence of him or the fact that rules can be broken - in any profession.

http://x17online.com/gallery/view_galle ... 062509_X17
IMO the gate guy is not paramedic, the gate guy is thin/lean & broad shoulders like MJ.

As the gate is closing, the gate guy thinks the coast is clear and he is coming out from hiding under or from behind something. If gate guy were a paramedic, a paramedic would have NO reason to be hiding. I'm certain gate guy is not paramedic. Besides gate guy has his shirt untucked, paramedic has shirt tucked in, its part of uniform code.
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Jermaine has the best answer of your questions that  ( Michael was not with us way before he arrived to the AIRPORT ) ,   :)
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I don't mean to get off topic, but I was watching TV guide preview guide and they were talking about Marie Osmond's son committing suicide. The thing I saw was weird was the ambulance #71. The same number ambulance that transported MJ to UCLA Medical Center. I thought it was a bit strange.
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I've always wondered, when the ambulance was leisurely backing out of MJs driveway that day, why werent there any police squad cars??

I live in IOWA, USA, & when there is an ambulance emergency, Ambulance, Fire truck, & about 3 police squad cars show up at the emergency. On June 25th I so NO cops at MJs 911 medical call. Why werent there any cops??
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Jermaine has the best answer of your questions that  ( Michael was not with us way before he arrived to the AIRPORT ) ,   :)
Could you please translate what Jermaine was saying?

My guess at what Jermaine is saying: MJ was not in the house durring the emergency, MJ was long gone before the double arrived at the airport??
Maybe only MJ illusion was used for the hoax & MJ was not physically involved but he was giving direction from afar, only the illusion of MJ & double was involved at UCLA & ambulance scene.
 
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Tina K - in photo 4 mystery person appears to have face side on. In pic 7, i can see the point you make about 'sunglasses'. There is a dark area around the eyes, but the pic is pretty blurry. A pity because it would reveal the face. Also, just to mention that the paramedic nearest the right door looks like he is wearing sunglasses in Pic 1. None of these pics can be used as definitive proof of MJ being there IMO. If it could be indentified as MJ there would be no discussion. Just saying the fact that this guy is in paramedic uniform for a start, and there was a paramedic attending the stretcher with ponytail behind the gates. It's a good possibility.
yes, the quality is really bad in those pics, I know. I have tryed once to entlarge them, but they were not good.
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@libra 8 - just to confirm this, there are 2 people we can see clearly  behind the gate. One is directly behind the gate - possibly security. Looks like Alvarez's hairstyle - it's a guess. The other person we see is in the background manouvering the stretcher into the ambulance (ponytail guy) - you can see the wheels etc. This is the person i deem to be the paramedic. He is not hiding, he is wheeling the stretcher? As for the 'head' we see directly behind the gate, it's a guess but it could be Alvarez from his hairstyle. It is certainly not MJ's hairstyle.
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To be more exact, there were different controversial announcements: died from heart attack, in coma, taken to hospital (no reason), because of cardiac arrest, prescription drug overdose. Every media full of fantasy on its way.
I think of this option: none of those officials were sure whether or not it was Michael (because gentleman was so much look like MJ  :D ) and were waiting until family arrives to identify. Then when family "identified" that it is MJ, they announced death. They justify the lie saying they were trying to revive already dead person for about an hour. Which  does not make sense.
That's why instead of doctor, as normally should be, Latoya signed death certificate eventually. Meaning, officials left identity responsibility  on the family. This is my version.

Your version makes the most sense of all, at this point,unless we are given further information.  I believe all will come out during what will turn out to be a sensational trial.
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Quote from: "QuirkyDiana"
@libra 8 - just to confirm this, there are 2 people we can see clearly  behind the gate. One is directly behind the gate - possibly security. Looks like Alvarez's hairstyle - it's a guess. The other person we see is in the background manouvering the stretcher into the ambulance (ponytail guy) - you can see the wheels etc. This is the person i deem to be the paramedic. He is not hiding, he is wheeling the stretcher? As for the 'head' we see directly behind the gate, it's a guess but it could be Alvarez from his hairstyle. It is certainly not MJ's hairstyle.
I have looked at the pony tail gate guy frames hundreds of times & this is the first time I saw the wheels of the stretcher & the idea he is guiding the stretcher into the ambulance, however, pony tail gate guy still looks like MJ, he dont look like paramedic. OMG, so does anyone here see a body on the stretcher?? We know for a fact the 911 call was made from inside rear of the house & we heard Dr. Murray in the background of the call, so Dr. Murray WAS in the house.

I read some where that MJ never met Dr Murray. I have searched for pictures of Dr. Murray & MJ together & have nothing, thinking mayb thats true. So, MJ wouldnt have been in the house at the time of the 911 emergency. Maybe thats wht Jermaine was saying, MJ was long gone, not in the house at the time of the ambulance emergency.
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Did anyone tape this for those of us who can't watch VH1or have a link  to the episode on the internet:mrgreen:


Yes please do.. it would be very much appreciated.


It's on YouTube:

Part 1:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1McW3aoi5E

Part 2:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ez7i9MqBGM
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Regarding LaToya signing the death certificate. Which part did she sign? I believe she is named as the 'informant' on the DC. that would be correct protocol. So what's the unusual thing about the DC. Am i missing something?
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