no smooth criminal lean in TII??

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no smooth criminal lean in TII??

  • on: February 27, 2010, 06:31:20 AM
ok, so i've posted this in the TII movie thread also, but watching my TII dvd i suddenly noticed that the dancers and MJ aren't practicing the smooth criminal lean??
No, would MJ really leave it out of a return concert? and would the dancer's not have to practice that over and over to get where to place the boot onto the peg in the stage to enable the lean??

I'm confused......

discuss, people......
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Re: no smooth criminal lean in TII??

  • on: February 27, 2010, 06:56:43 AM
also, red shirt black pants MJ seems to be really happy in every rehearsal shot.....so i'm thinking this is the real MJ and gold and orange pants are the doubles, IMO

feel the love
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Re: no smooth criminal lean in TII??

  • on: February 27, 2010, 07:24:52 AM
I saw on wikipedia that the patent for the anit gravity shoes is no longer owned by Michael Jackson because he failed to pay the maintence fee.  I clicked on the patent information under the picture of the shoe and found this site explaining this.  So, he may not have been legally able to do it since he no longer owned the patent for the shoes.
In my patents list  |  Print    

Method and means for creating anti-gravity illusion  
                   
  Bibliographic data      Description      Claims      Mosaics      Original document      INPADOC legal status    
         
   
 
The EPO does not accept any responsibility for the accuracy of data and information originating from other authorities than the EPO; in particular, the EPO does not guarantee that they are complete, up-to-date or fit for specific purposes.  
Legal status of US5255452 (A) 1993-10-26:

     
US F 90547992   A (Patent of invention)
   PRS Date :  1992/08/31
   PRS Code :  AS
   Code Expl.:    ASSIGNMENT
      NEW OWNER :  TRIUMPH INTERNATIONAL, INC., CALIFORNIA
      EFFECTIVE DATE :  19920825
      FURTHER INFORMATION :  ASSIGNMENT OF ASSIGNORS INTEREST.;ASSIGNORS:JACKSON, MICHAEL J.;BUSH, MICHAEL L.;TOMPKINS, DENNIS;REEL/FRAME:006250/0059
 

     
   PRS Date :  2005/12/20
   PRS Code :  FP
   Code Expl.:  -   EXPIRED DUE TO FAILURE TO PAY MAINTENANCE FEE
      EFFECTIVE DATE :  20051026
 
 


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Re: no smooth criminal lean in TII??

  • on: February 27, 2010, 08:07:25 AM
Quote from: "jenwren20"
ok, so i've posted this in the TII movie thread also, but watching my TII dvd i suddenly noticed that the dancers and MJ aren't practicing the smooth criminal lean??
No, would MJ really leave it out of a return concert? and would the dancer's not have to practice that over and over to get where to place the boot onto the peg in the stage to enable the lean??

I'm confused......

discuss, people......

any vid
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Re: no smooth criminal lean in TII??

  • on: February 27, 2010, 08:52:18 AM
Patent means he can prevent someone else from using it or getting them to pay him to use it. Unless the patent is owned by someone else now - he can still do the lean.
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Re: no smooth criminal lean in TII??

  • on: February 27, 2010, 09:38:30 AM
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Quote from: "jenwren20"
ok, so i've posted this in the TII movie thread also, but watching my TII dvd i suddenly noticed that the dancers and MJ aren't practicing the smooth criminal lean??
No, would MJ really leave it out of a return concert? and would the dancer's not have to practice that over and over to get where to place the boot onto the peg in the stage to enable the lean??

I'm confused......

discuss, people......

any vid
[youtube:1u51jl7s]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E10gmHkPSGU[/youtube:1u51jl7s]

 my video =) uploaded from the DVD!
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Re: no smooth criminal lean in TII??

  • on: February 27, 2010, 09:57:19 AM
Quote from: "jenwren20"
also, red shirt black pants MJ seems to be really happy in every rehearsal shot.....so i'm thinking this is the real MJ and gold and orange pants are the doubles, IMO

feel the love

well ive watched the staging the return extra and believe it or not orange pants IS MJ, it show him without glasses and a hat, wearing the orange pants and the blue shirt, and its 1 million percent MJ .  yes they mentioned that he would use a double, i think during the Dirty Diana performance so he could get changed for the next song.


so ive actually drawn to the conlcusion that its all michael  :)
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Re: no smooth criminal lean in TII??

  • on: February 27, 2010, 10:07:37 AM
Quote from: "jenwren20"
ok, so i've posted this in the TII movie thread also, but watching my TII dvd i suddenly noticed that the dancers and MJ aren't practicing the smooth criminal lean??
No, would MJ really leave it out of a return concert? and would the dancer's not have to practice that over and over to get where to place the boot onto the peg in the stage to enable the lean??

I'm confused......

discuss, people......
I noticed that too..interesting. I might say this lean is nr.1 in smooth criminal, all fans are expecting this every time. well, I do  :P
And one other thing I haven't done yet but going to - are the dancers dressed the same during in every song. Cause I have a feeling that they are changing clothes while michael stays with the same ones...going to check this out later.
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Re: no smooth criminal lean in TII??

  • on: February 27, 2010, 10:11:10 AM
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Quote from: "jenwren20"
also, red shirt black pants MJ seems to be really happy in every rehearsal shot.....so i'm thinking this is the real MJ and gold and orange pants are the doubles, IMO

feel the love

well ive watched the staging the return extra and believe it or not orange pants IS MJ, it show him without glasses and a hat, wearing the orange pants and the blue shirt, and its 1 million percent MJ .  yes they mentioned that he would use a double, i think during the Dirty Diana performance so he could get changed for the next song.


so ive actually drawn to the conlcusion that its all michael  :)

u talking about  this picture ?
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Re: no smooth criminal lean in TII??

  • on: February 27, 2010, 11:02:53 AM
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also, red shirt black pants MJ seems to be really happy in every rehearsal shot.....so i'm thinking this is the real MJ and gold and orange pants are the doubles, IMO

feel the love

well ive watched the staging the return extra and believe it or not orange pants IS MJ, it show him without glasses and a hat, wearing the orange pants and the blue shirt, and its 1 million percent MJ .  yes they mentioned that he would use a double, i think during the Dirty Diana performance so he could get changed for the next song.


so ive actually drawn to the conlcusion that its all michael  :)

u talking about  this picture ?

yea that one , and damn  :lol:  he is wearing the sunglasses , i think im goin blind  :lol:
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Re: no smooth criminal lean in TII??

  • on: February 27, 2010, 11:38:35 AM
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u talking about  this picture ?
http://img203.imageshack.us/img203/8645 ... 084466.png

giggle, guess he like to wear it inside  :D
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Re: no smooth criminal lean in TII??

  • on: February 27, 2010, 11:43:57 AM
this pic i thought was him i think he switches now and then to keep us on our toes billie jean was a double but part where they talked after his speech bout air hostess actions was him just look at the nose ;)
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Re: no smooth criminal lean in TII??

  • on: February 27, 2010, 02:35:59 PM
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Quote from: "jenwren20"
also, red shirt black pants MJ seems to be really happy in every rehearsal shot.....so i'm thinking this is the real MJ and gold and orange pants are the doubles, IMO

feel the love

well ive watched the staging the return extra and believe it or not orange pants IS MJ, it show him without glasses and a hat, wearing the orange pants and the blue shirt, and its 1 million percent MJ .  yes they mentioned that he would use a double, i think during the Dirty Diana performance so he could get changed for the next song.


so ive actually drawn to the conlcusion that its all michael  :)

Bravo!!!!

I said so many times TII Is all MJ himself!!!
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Re: no smooth criminal lean in TII??

  • on: February 27, 2010, 02:54:31 PM
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also, red shirt black pants MJ seems to be really happy in every rehearsal shot.....so i'm thinking this is the real MJ and gold and orange pants are the doubles, IMO

feel the love

well ive watched the staging the return extra and believe it or not orange pants IS MJ, it show him without glasses and a hat, wearing the orange pants and the blue shirt, and its 1 million percent MJ .  yes they mentioned that he would use a double, i think during the Dirty Diana performance so he could get changed for the next song.


so ive actually drawn to the conlcusion that its all michael  :)

Bravo!!!!

I said so many times TII Is all MJ himself!!!
i never saw a difference i always saw mj thru it all, when i saw it in theaters i was like hmm one of them seems off, i thought maybe they used at leats one double, but when i really watched the dvd i was like :s it all seems like mj
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Re: no smooth criminal lean in TII??

  • on: February 27, 2010, 03:52:44 PM
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Quote from: "jenwren20"
also, red shirt black pants MJ seems to be really happy in every rehearsal shot.....so i'm thinking this is the real MJ and gold and orange pants are the doubles, IMO

feel the love

well ive watched the staging the return extra and believe it or not orange pants IS MJ, it show him without glasses and a hat, wearing the orange pants and the blue shirt, and its 1 million percent MJ .  yes they mentioned that he would use a double, i think during the Dirty Diana performance so he could get changed for the next song.


so ive actually drawn to the conlcusion that its all michael  :)

Bravo!!!!

I said so many times TII Is all MJ himself!!!
i never saw a difference i always saw mj thru it all, when i saw it in theaters i was like hmm one of them seems off, i thought maybe they used at leats one double, but when i really watched the dvd i was like :s it all seems like mj
exactly :) I always believed it was ALL Michael. :)
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Re: no smooth criminal lean in TII??

  • on: February 27, 2010, 03:55:43 PM
Did you notice that dancer is wearing a dome project t-shirt!
And yes orange pants is our beautiful Mike.
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Re: no smooth criminal lean in TII??

  • on: February 27, 2010, 09:45:46 PM
There's no way Michael's 50yo back would stand up to the lean.

No one else can patent the lean, they simply can now perform it. Once patent expires anyone can do it, but you cannot repatent an existing... well... thing. Patents are available only for new inventions.
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Re: no smooth criminal lean in TII??

  • on: February 27, 2010, 10:17:32 PM
Yeah, I thought that was weird and still the fact he didn't do the moonwalk is strange too. I mean, those are both his signature moves!  :?
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Re: no smooth criminal lean in TII??

  • on: February 27, 2010, 10:25:40 PM
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I saw on wikipedia that the patent for the anit gravity shoes is no longer owned by Michael Jackson because he failed to pay the maintence fee.  I clicked on the patent information under the picture of the shoe and found this site explaining this.  So, he may not have been legally able to do it since he no longer owned the patent for the shoes.
In my patents list  |  Print    

Method and means for creating anti-gravity illusion  
                   
  Bibliographic data      Description      Claims      Mosaics      Original document      INPADOC legal status    
         
   
 
The EPO does not accept any responsibility for the accuracy of data and information originating from other authorities than the EPO; in particular, the EPO does not guarantee that they are complete, up-to-date or fit for specific purposes.  
Legal status of US5255452 (A) 1993-10-26:

     
US F 90547992   A (Patent of invention)
   PRS Date :  1992/08/31
   PRS Code :  AS
   Code Expl.:    ASSIGNMENT
      NEW OWNER :  TRIUMPH INTERNATIONAL, INC., CALIFORNIA
      EFFECTIVE DATE :  19920825
      FURTHER INFORMATION :  ASSIGNMENT OF ASSIGNORS INTEREST.;ASSIGNORS:JACKSON, MICHAEL J.;BUSH, MICHAEL L.;TOMPKINS, DENNIS;REEL/FRAME:006250/0059
 

     
   PRS Date :  2005/12/20
   PRS Code :  FP
   Code Expl.:  -   EXPIRED DUE TO FAILURE TO PAY MAINTENANCE FEE
      EFFECTIVE DATE :  20051026
 
 


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Is there a way to find out if someone else owns or has the rights to the patent now? I would think that keeping this stuff current and paid up should automatically have been taken care of by his business managers, right? Sad...
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Re: no smooth criminal lean in TII??

  • on: February 27, 2010, 11:46:16 PM
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There's no way Michael's 50yo back would stand up to the lean.

No one else can patent the lean, they simply can now perform it. Once patent expires anyone can do it, but you cannot repatent an existing... well... thing. Patents are available only for new inventions.

There's no need to continue to hold the patent. It's become a signature Michael move and any artist that does it now is simply paying tribute to the King.

Michael did moonwalk in Smooth Criminal in TII.
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Re: no smooth criminal lean in TII??

  • on: February 28, 2010, 12:46:17 AM
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Patent means he can prevent someone else from using it or getting them to pay him to use it. Unless the patent is owned by someone else now - he can still do the lean.

I don't believe anyone else does own the patent,bc remember at the mtv awards those dancers did it even with a few of them ruining it,but jeez anyway this is michael jackson he shouldn't have to keep paying a maintanence fee to hold the patent
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Re: no smooth criminal lean in TII??

  • on: February 28, 2010, 02:53:34 AM
That's how patents work. Even if you pay to maintain it a patent expires after a certain number of years anyway.
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Re: no smooth criminal lean in TII??

  • on: February 28, 2010, 08:33:53 AM
if orange pants guy is him why aint he in cd pictures? This pic in orange trousers looks so different to other orange pants guy look at shape of face and hair!!!
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Re: no smooth criminal lean in TII??

  • on: February 28, 2010, 08:35:13 AM
shakira did the lean in her she wolf video in hig heels fink it must of been digitally done im not sure but she did it have a look
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Re: no smooth criminal lean in TII??

  • on: February 28, 2010, 11:33:46 AM
The new owner is Triumph International in California according to the patent.

Evidently his business owners didn't have Michael's best interest at heart, otherwise they would have paid for the maintenance fees.
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