what did liza minnelli mean by all hells going to break loos

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Offline mumof3

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Did we ever find out what she meant by that , she said when Michael went, and i have always wondered what she meant by that statement .
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you know I have really wondered about that..
and she hasn't really spoken since has she?
... :? we should look into this a bit more, it's important. good post mumof3.
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i was just discussing this the other day, i still have the discussion saved but it was about this.

she mentioned this and hasnt been heard of since.

now i wonder if she was right after discovering the autopsy documents has some discrepancies on it, maybe thats what she meant, its not michael
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I also remember she said that and never heard anything later about it.

Most people think she meant about his drugsproblem, but I never really believed that's what she was talking about. I think she and Diana Ross know something, they both are to silent since his "death" and both didn't show up at the memorial ore funeral.

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"All of us who knew him well really know what he was like," she said. "And I'm sure that now the accolades are going, and I'm sure when the autopsy comes, all hell's going to break loose. So, thank God we're celebrating him now."

This has spooked me from the very beginning.  The statement was one of the first that she made to address her feelings about his death. Soon after making the stament she had a  "Oh .. I shouldn't have said that" look on her face. Plus, she became mysteriously silent after that interview and declined to  address what was meant by the statement .   I doubt that we'll hear another peep out of her.
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Yep I totally agree with you on this! Her and Diana have been too too silent since June 25th. It does seem as if they know something you know? But I wonder when was the last time MJ really spent time with these two? I know he spoke to Liz Taylor quite a bit hardly losing touch with her.. BUt these two? I heard (don't know how true it is)but I heard that MJ had not been in touch with these two women for a pretty good while. IDK what to make of that and what prompted her to make that statement in the first place to the public filled with MJ grieving fans like us. :( I wonder if she has a twitter or facebook account ;)

"Thank God we are celebrating him now because?_______________________________________somebody fill in the blanks lets check out Liza for a bit!
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I agree with you guys, it is very strange on her behalf. Unless she knew something. She spoke about autopsy.. Why?? There are 2 factors: first, maybe she meant people who knew MJ was a health freak, and wouldn't take any drugs,and in the autopsy they found drugs, secondly, autopsy wasn't MJ's.. This is the conclusion I came with..But it is very bizzare that she said that..
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I agree with you guys, it is very strange on her behalf. Unless she knew something. She spoke about autopsy.. Why?? There are 2 factors: first, maybe she meant people who knew MJ was a health freak, and wouldn't take any drugs,and in the autopsy they found drugs, secondly, autopsy wasn't MJ's.. This is the conclusion I came with..But it is very bizzare that she said that..


It really puzzles me, because the rumour mill has been going for years about MJs supposed drug taking...  so why would that be a shock???
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Agreed 100%.  Their silence is eerie.
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Maybe it would be a shock to those who learned about some other stuff going on. His smaller than usual  frame shows  that there was something happening with him.  Plus as I looked at the  pictures from  the "Doubles" thread, I couldn't help but notice how much older MJ looked in the TII pics than he did just a few years ago. People typically age faster or look older in a short time when there is stress or health issues. He was always slim and fit but did the aging process accelerate suddenly because of other health issues? This year, I will turn 50. Aging is not for the faint of heart. There are things that come up out of the blue and takes a person through some serious physical changes. People dismiss LIza a lot. They giver her all sorts of negative labels. I took a peak at some interviews and quotes from her over the years. She is an extremely straightforward person who speaks her mind. She does not sugar coat or play up to  people by telling them what they want to hear.  This quote from her made me laugh..."In Hollywood now when people die they don't say, 'Did he leave a will?' but 'Did he leave a diary?' " I have a hunch that Liza knows a lot and especially where the bones are buried as they say.


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I agree with you guys, it is very strange on her behalf. Unless she knew something. She spoke about autopsy.. Why?? There are 2 factors: first, maybe she meant people who knew MJ was a health freak, and wouldn't take any drugs,and in the autopsy they found drugs, secondly, autopsy wasn't MJ's.. This is the conclusion I came with..But it is very bizzare that she said that..


It really puzzles me, because the rumour mill has been going for years about MJs supposed drug taking...  so why would that be a shock???
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I have always liked Liza and thought she was very straight forward  but what she said has always bothered me it made michael look bad to me to others.  I just wondered of any body knew what she meant and if she had said anything more, it is strange because i think she was always a good friend to Michael.
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I wish I hadn't opened this topic.  :cry: When I first read that statement from Liza, I was jumping up and down and screaming; 'WHAT DOES SHE MEAN?! WHAT IS SHE IMPLYING?'

"We really know what he was like."
"All hell is going to break loose"
"Thank God we are celebrating him now"


All the riddles, all te secrecy! For all I know she could be saying that everyone who REALLY knew MJ, knew that he had an extra limb or something and the world would get to know that after the autopsy. Do you guys get what I mean? As if there was something physically wrong with him, and as soon as the world would find out, we wouldn't celebrate him anymore.  

Or will all hell break loose because the guy in the autopsy report isn't MJ?

I really wish she would either speak out or just be quiet, because this little riddle of her is driving me crazy.
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http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xA1xTM0-2X0   just found this, thought i add to the thread.  :?
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thank god we are celebrating him now probs meaning haters and stuff will go crazy again at him where as now some i know have defended him but maybe she is talking bout how this will change when he returns :?  fans here for you mj!!! :D
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ok from another point of view, she may have meant throught the drugs found (if he's dead obviosuly) that it comes to light he did have a drug problem and the rumours where infact true therefore tainting his image..

as he has said DON'T ABUSE DRUGS, he wouldn't do it etc etc after he admitted it whenever it was, you know some people having a squeeky clean image of him (so to speak beyond the other stuff) and then the autopsy comes out and BAM drug abuse, plastic surgery scars and so on..

although i don't recall his organs having a great deal wrong with them especially his liver and kidneys which are mostly affected by drugs, even everyday medication like BP pills for example have an effect!!

still confuses me.. sorry for the ramble.. and don't shoot me for this opinion!!  :roll:
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Or will all hell break loose because the guy in the autopsy report isn't MJ?
Yes, that could be it, but the majority still believes that the autopsy was done on Michael
so maybe hell didn't break loose after all.
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how did she know all hell would break loose?  8-)
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I got nervous when she said that... it made me think Michael was really someone we should be avoiding or something... But I'm not going to believe that.

Speaking of not hearing from her, I recall she said that on one of the first episodes of Lary King Live related to Michael's "death"/disappearence. She wasn't invited back, so that made me think... has she gotten the chance to say something since this?
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Thanks for reviving this thread again and thanks to the individual who posted that interview of Liza. I had never seen it but am truly glad that the interviewer asked for clarification to her statement of "all hell is gonna break loose!".

Now, I must tell you that I agree with all of you here. This statement has always had me wondering. It implies something huge......nothing to the effect of a normal death or a suspicious death or on-going drug habit etc.  Those facts are all too boring and run of the mill to create "hell to break loose," in my opinion. I have always maintained and still do----even after seeing the Liza video that she definitely knows more than she is implying. She is only now covering her tracks because she has to.  Her statement about the "subject being personal" or "not wanting to cry" is a crock, to me. Pure and simple...it was/is a means to avert the interviewer from that subject.  I still feel that something earth shattering is going to shake us all up. I maintain that MJ is alive. He is reinventing himself and his reintroduction is what is going to be likened to "hell breaking loose!!!!"  Perhaps, in the meantime, some greedy, corrupt bastards will be rightfully going down----but we will see a strong, "I'm not taking any crap" attitude" from a previously shy, demure man break out! The time has come and he has had enough. And, frankly I have had enough for MJ. You can liken it to a mighty volcanic eruption: the pressure is building and it is only a matter of time before the fires of hell spew forth its scorching, thick molten lava from it's mighty firth!!!!
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There seems nothing riddle-like about it to me. Most people believed he was a health freak. An autopsy could show overmedication of (prescription) drugs, which would burst people's bubble or in other words: hell would break loose. So, as she says, better celebrate him before that when the bubble is still intact.
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There seems nothing riddle-like about it to me. Most people believed he was a health freak. An autopsy could show overmedication of (prescription) drugs, which would burst people's bubble or in other words: hell would break loose. So, as she says, better celebrate him before that when the bubble is still intact.
People seriously believed that? I don't recall anything (over the last months) but the media describing him as a 'wreck' and a junkie, going to Arnie Klein on a regular basis.
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There seems nothing riddle-like about it to me. Most people believed he was a health freak. An autopsy could show overmedication of (prescription) drugs, which would burst people's bubble or in other words: hell would break loose. So, as she says, better celebrate him before that when the bubble is still intact.
People seriously believed that? I don't recall anything (over the last months) but the media describing him as a 'wreck' and a junkie, going to Arnie Klein on a regular basis.
Yes, many fans believed that and still do. They also believe it was bashing the media did. Or that the drug issue was released via the media to make Michael look like an addict and as such, make Michael's position weaker in Murray's trial. What Murray did would look less worse if they could portrait Michael as a junkie in the media is what they argue, and probably work for his defence.
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There seems nothing riddle-like about it to me. Most people believed he was a health freak. An autopsy could show overmedication of (prescription) drugs, which would burst people's bubble or in other words: hell would break loose. So, as she says, better celebrate him before that when the bubble is still intact.
People seriously believed that? I don't recall anything (over the last months) but the media describing him as a 'wreck' and a junkie, going to Arnie Klein on a regular basis.
Yes, many fans believed that and still do. They also believe it was bashing the media did. Or that the drug issue was released via the media to make Michael look like an addict and as such, make Michael's position weaker in Murray's trial. What Murray did would look less worse if they could portrait Michael as a junkie in the media is what they argue, and probably work for his defence.
Ah, like that. Thank you for clearing that up.
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thanks for posting the video of liza  but she still does not clearly explain why she said that and she looks upset but she is a performer and i feel she will do everything to protect him and she is backpeddling on her statement , she says she was angry with somebody there when she said that but i feel she is to proffesional to make a  mistake and get angry like that.
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