MJ and his children.... TIGER WOODS!!

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MJ and his children.... TIGER WOODS!!

  • on: December 04, 2009, 03:31:15 PM
Hi,

i had to include this here because there is so much speculation and nastiness over MJs children....

but look at these pictures of Tiger Woods and his children.
He is a black man who has had children with a white woman...  and these children are very light skinned with straight hair just like MJ's.

Why doesnt anyone question this like they question MJ???

Just another example of how the press harassed and portrayed MJ unfairly.
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Re: MJ and his children.... TIGER WOODS!!

  • on: December 04, 2009, 03:32:37 PM
American people are crazy

pfff leave tiger woods alone you are realy trippin america (like always :roll: ) no offense ;)
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Re: MJ and his children.... TIGER WOODS!!

  • on: December 04, 2009, 03:34:54 PM
Im only using Tiger Woods as an example, because as far as i know no-one has ever questioned the parentage of his children...  unlike what Michael has had to endure
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Re: MJ and his children.... TIGER WOODS!!

  • on: December 04, 2009, 03:36:56 PM
and this one...
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Re: MJ and his children.... TIGER WOODS!!

  • on: December 04, 2009, 03:39:09 PM
Yet pictures like these gave Michael no end of grief and nastiness from the media.

Sigh.....  makes me so sad for him.
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Re: MJ and his children.... TIGER WOODS!!

  • on: December 04, 2009, 03:44:42 PM
Great point...thanks.
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Re: MJ and his children.... TIGER WOODS!!

  • on: December 04, 2009, 03:50:03 PM
I think the problem was, that when media first saw Michael's children (when they were little, with blurry faces or masks) - they saw 2 very blond kids, especially Prince. I think that's when they started saying they weren't his kids. Now that they are older (and darker), the situation is very different, but, unfortunately, people's minds have already been made up.
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Re: MJ and his children.... TIGER WOODS!!

  • on: December 04, 2009, 03:55:23 PM
To mention thanks, very well this
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Re: MJ and his children.... TIGER WOODS!!

  • on: December 04, 2009, 04:08:48 PM
@MJFOREVER excuse me but all American people are not crazy!
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Re: MJ and his children.... TIGER WOODS!!

  • on: December 04, 2009, 04:15:43 PM
In all fairness Tiger Woods in HALF black and Half Asian (TAI).
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Re: MJ and his children.... TIGER WOODS!!

  • on: December 04, 2009, 04:37:17 PM
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In all fairness Tiger Woods in HALF black and Half Asian (TAI).

Yes and isnt Joe Jackson part American Indian and has blue eyes??

I think genetics are very complicated and the press were very unfair on Michael Jackson.. and this is demonstrated by how other celebrities in the same position are treated.
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Re: MJ and his children.... TIGER WOODS!!

  • on: December 04, 2009, 04:39:58 PM
people bullied michael in what ever he did bullied is the only word they bullied him like no other star
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Re: MJ and his children.... TIGER WOODS!!

  • on: December 04, 2009, 05:08:16 PM
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In all fairness Tiger Woods in HALF black and Half Asian (TAI).
should not make a difference im very mixed race my sisters kids dad is white some look mixed some look white and yes they all have straight hair,a couple have green eyes,and her youngest has same skin colour and eyes as paris,so people should never judge a book by its cover
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Re: MJ and his children.... TIGER WOODS!!

  • on: December 04, 2009, 06:03:51 PM
My mother is black (not mixed with anything, just black) and my father is white. Most people mistake me for being white. Take your own conclusions from that. :ugeek:
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Re: MJ and his children.... TIGER WOODS!!

  • on: December 04, 2009, 06:04:54 PM
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American people are crazy

pfff leave tiger woods alone you are realy trippin america (like always :roll: ) no offense ;)

None taken  :lol:
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Re: MJ and his children.... TIGER WOODS!!

  • on: December 04, 2009, 06:13:18 PM
A sperm and an egg don't make you a parent....loving unconditionally and totally does!

'nough said.  ;)
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Re: MJ and his children.... TIGER WOODS!!

  • on: December 04, 2009, 06:14:32 PM
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A sperm and an egg don't make you a parent....loving unconditionally and totally does!

'nough said.  ;)
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Re: MJ and his children.... TIGER WOODS!!

  • on: December 04, 2009, 06:22:07 PM
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A sperm and an egg don't make you a parent....loving unconditionally and totally does!

'nough said.  ;)
Exactly!! Please can we not discuss the children in this way-Michael loved them and they loved him and he cared for them and he was their Father, a parent is someone who takes care of you, raises you and keeps you safe. Can we please not discuss private matters of this nature? it has absolutely nothing to do with the hoax. It is not appropiate to discuss the parentage of anyone, Michael was a private person and I think he would be horrified to know this matter was being discussed on an internet forum.
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Re: MJ and his children.... TIGER WOODS!!

  • on: December 04, 2009, 06:38:07 PM
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A sperm and an egg don't make you a parent....loving unconditionally and totally does!

'nough said.  ;)
Exactly!! Please can we not discuss the children in this way-Michael loved them and they loved him and he cared for them and he was their Father, a parent is someone who takes care of you, raises you and keeps you safe. Can we please not discuss private matters of this nature? it has absolutely nothing to do with the hoax. It is not appropiate to discuss the parentage of anyone, Michael was a private person and I think he would be horrified to know this matter was being discussed on an internet forum.
i do agree but this needed to be said ,so hopefully people will understand and accept,and i will not say anymore on this subject
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Re: MJ and his children.... TIGER WOODS!!

  • on: December 04, 2009, 06:39:49 PM
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A sperm and an egg don't make you a parent....loving unconditionally and totally does!

'nough said.  ;)
Exactly!! Please can we not discuss the children in this way-Michael loved them and they loved him and he cared for them and he was their Father, a parent is someone who takes care of you, raises you and keeps you safe. Can we please not discuss private matters of this nature? it has absolutely nothing to do with the hoax. It is not appropiate to discuss the parentage of anyone, Michael was a private person and I think he would be horrified to know this matter was being discussed on an internet forum.


Sorry... but you are missing the point of my original post.

The point i am making is that there are other afro-carribean celebrities who have had mixed-raced children who appear white...   but the media NEVER questions them or the parentage...  but Michael Jackson was vilified in the press over this.
Im not questioning MJs parentage.....  im pointing out how biased the media was towards MJ.
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Re: MJ and his children.... TIGER WOODS!!

  • on: December 04, 2009, 06:59:11 PM
Sorry, but...... Tiger's mother is Asian and his father is black so he is half black.  Plus are not Michael's biological children everyone knows that except you.  Oh, and does it really even matter, everyone is so busy wondering where Michael's Dick has been.
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Re: MJ and his children.... TIGER WOODS!!

  • on: December 04, 2009, 07:02:47 PM
Quote from: "Miss.Peppers"
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A sperm and an egg don't make you a parent....loving unconditionally and totally does!

'nough said.  ;)
Exactly!! Please can we not discuss the children in this way-Michael loved them and they loved him and he cared for them and he was their Father, a parent is someone who takes care of you, raises you and keeps you safe. Can we please not discuss private matters of this nature? it has absolutely nothing to do with the hoax. It is not appropiate to discuss the parentage of anyone, Michael was a private person and I think he would be horrified to know this matter was being discussed on an internet forum.


Sorry... but you are missing the point of my original post.

The point i am making is that there are other afro-carribean celebrities who have had mixed-raced children who appear white...   but the media NEVER questions them or the parentage...  but Michael Jackson was vilified in the press over this.
Im not questioning MJs parentage.....  im pointing out how biased the media was towards MJ.

i totally agree with you but i think some of the reason why they said this is because of other things that took place..like debbie not being around and blanket coming out of nowhere..so i think that with them being so light AND there moms not being around people make assumptions about there paternity

and im not saying that that is a right assumption but having had conversations about it with others i belive its the mix of all of that becaue like you said noone question quincy and rashida, eartha kitt and her daughter or james earl jones and his kids
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Re: MJ and his children.... TIGER WOODS!!

  • on: December 04, 2009, 07:09:32 PM
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Im only using Tiger Woods as an example, because as far as i know no-one has ever questioned the parentage of his children...  unlike what Michael has had to endure

Tiger Woods and other people of color are an entirely different situation than Michael, who's in a class all by himself when it comes to this subject.

(Ignorant) people question the parentage of Michael's children because (1) they believe the nonsense that he's a freak and would therefore do freaky things to have freaky (meaning unexpectedly different) children, (2) they believe the nonsense that Michael's skin got lighter because he was trying to "become" white, (3) they believe the nonsense that Michael was asexual or gay and therefore never had sex with Lisa Marie, Debbie, or any other woman, and (4) they believe the nonsense that one darker-skinned (like Michael originally was) black parent means a mixed child can only have a skin tone that's noticeably "colored."

Some of these ignorant people will learn eventually, although it makes no difference whatsoever whether Michael is the biological parent of his children. He's their one and only father, no matter what, as all of us intelligent people here realize.
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Re: MJ and his children.... TIGER WOODS!!

  • on: December 04, 2009, 07:31:43 PM
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Im only using Tiger Woods as an example, because as far as i know no-one has ever questioned the parentage of his children...  unlike what Michael has had to endure

Tiger Woods and other people of color are an entirely different situation than Michael, who's in a class all by himself when it comes to this subject.

(Ignorant) people question the parentage of Michael's children because (1) they believe the nonsense that he's a freak and would therefore do freaky things to have freaky (meaning unexpectedly different) children, (2) they believe the nonsense that Michael's skin got lighter because he was trying to "become" white, (3) they believe the nonsense that Michael was asexual or gay and therefore never had sex with Lisa Marie, Debbie, or any other woman, and (4) they believe the nonsense that one darker-skinned (like Michael originally was) black parent means a mixed child can only have a skin tone that's noticeably "colored."

Some of these ignorant people will learn eventually, although it makes no difference whatsoever whether Michael is the biological parent of his children. He's their one and only father, no matter what, as all of us intelligent people here realize.

this basicly what i was trying to say...lol there more to it why people said that about those kids, there skin color just takes the cake...look at omer for example, on most pictures he is dark skinned and he looks like mike pre op but they still refuse to believe that there is even a possiblity of him being his son....even the boy they posted on TMZ is full black and they said that couldnt be his son BECAUSE HE WAS FULL BLACK..they will never give mj a break..period

p.s. im not saying that omer or malachi are his sons but im just pointing out how people dismissed them so quickly
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Re: MJ and his children.... TIGER WOODS!!

  • on: December 04, 2009, 07:49:47 PM
Hey hey hey! Americans and the nation have a lot of internal issues however we are NOT crazy. Please do not make broad statements such as that. As an American, I do take offense to such statements. I do not know you or your country of origin. I do not know your nation's politics, economic state or status in the global community. However I will respect you as an individual and treat you with dignity. PLEASE do not bash my country! I am an American and I will not stand for it. Not now or ever.

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Re: MJ and his children.... TIGER WOODS!!

  • on: December 04, 2009, 08:48:01 PM
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Sorry, but...... Tiger's mother is Asian and his father is black so he is half black.  Plus are not Michael's biological children everyone knows that except you.  Oh, and does it really even matter, everyone is so busy wondering where Michael's Dick has been.

This was inapropriate on every level do not post like this again.
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Re: MJ and his children.... TIGER WOODS!!

  • on: December 04, 2009, 09:05:07 PM
THIS IS IT

Ok I am gonna say this because things like this get me heated and heated fast. The only thing on this forum that gets me madder than all of us arguing over an innoncent thread started with genuine intentions is when people get in the "I love Mj better than you' contest. Look we all agree to have "open minds" and to "look at everything" and "to be MJs army and stop the bad press and clear his name"...until it comes to this.
 On the other forum every single time someone posted a youtube video that showed proof the MJ was biologicaly the father of his own children (such as showing Princes skin closeups with vitiligo spots,or a comparison of toddler pics of Prince with pics of his grandfather-or facial feature comparison) they were almost ran of the site...WHY? There is nothing wrong with standing behind the children and there is nothing wrong with saying "OMG Prince is a cutie and he looks like his dad"...There is nothing more demeaning about that then there is about me buying books that cite real and valid evidence that Michael was not a pedophile...wich OMG coincidently has nothing to do with the hoax either.
 This thread was showing media bias as many other threads have done. It was not about MJs sexual private life and it was not to get people on here who obviously think he was not the father to start arguments.
 HERE is my really big pet peeve...yes ,there are  many many parents who are not biolagical parents...and no, sperm does not make you a FATHER  where it counts. BUT, if I ,after years of hearing MJ defend himself and say over and over that yes he was their father,yes he and Debbie really were married,yes yes yes, then to say "oh well I don't think that ever really happened but it doesn't matter because he was their father the way it counted...obviously not biologiacly but that doesnt matter"...then in a sense I am saying he is lying- and a liar is a liar is a liar. Well I believed everything else he ever said so yes I believe the kids have his blood in them.
 Now for my own "bi-racial" friends experience: I had a friend who I had no earthly idea her mom was black-her hair was light light brown,her skin was kind of light olive color (now that I think of it it was actualy Paris's color) her eyes were blue green. Her mom was black and her dad hawaiin.
 If anyone has read Aphrodite Jones book ,Debbie Rowe testified...in her testimony she talks about at that time she was in the middle of trying to get joint custody or custody back for her children...she said that this was actualy an attempt at trying to reunite with MJ because she loved him very much and had tried to reconnect with him and was unable...wether this was ploy to get money or not ,I ,you are anybody else does not know,but I do feel that they had SOME FORM OF LOVE on some level.
  This is the only time I am posting about this and if I have to repeat it another thread I will -and if this turns out like some that were on the other forum I will lock it.
 Prince is a doll-and he looks like Michael(eyes droopy little mouth-look at child pis of Mike)
Paris is beautiful-she proabably acts like Michael
Blanket is a doll-and he looks incredibly like Michael and not just because he is darker.
It is not inapropriate for me to say so!-defending Michaels children and their paternity is not wrong.
 DO NOT put nasty words in your posts.
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Re: MJ and his children.... TIGER WOODS!!

  • on: December 04, 2009, 09:06:47 PM
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Hey hey hey! Americans and the nation have a lot of internal issues however we are NOT crazy. Please do not make broad statements such as that. As an American, I do take offense to such statements. I do not know you or your country of origin. I do not know your nation's politics, economic state or status in the global community. However I will respect you as an individual and treat you with dignity. PLEASE do not bash my country! I am an American and I will not stand for it. Not now or ever.

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pfff leave tiger woods alone you are realy trippin america (like always :roll: ) no offense ;)

Hi five  ;)
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Re: MJ and his children.... TIGER WOODS!!

  • on: December 04, 2009, 11:16:43 PM
Michael isn't even 100% black, so of course his children will be biracial.

it isn't an American issue. it's just ignorance of biology. maybe those who believe they aren't Michael's kids missed a day or class of biology class in high school?  :roll:
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Re: MJ and his children.... TIGER WOODS!!

  • on: December 04, 2009, 11:22:44 PM
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Sorry, but...... Tiger's mother is Asian and his father is black so he is half black.  Plus are not Michael's biological children everyone knows that except you.  Oh, and does it really even matter, everyone is so busy wondering where Michael's Dick has been.

amazing language you use... :roll:

& you're doing the same exact thing if you're looking through a topic like this.  :roll:

let's be a tiny bit more mature now, please.
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Re: MJ and his children.... TIGER WOODS!!

  • on: December 05, 2009, 01:18:23 AM
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THIS IS IT

Ok I am gonna say this because things like this get me heated and heated fast. The only thing on this forum that gets me madder than all of us arguing over an innoncent thread started with genuine intentions is when people get in the "I love Mj better than you' contest. Look we all agree to have "open minds" and to "look at everything" and "to be MJs army and stop the bad press and clear his name"...until it comes to this.
 On the other forum every single time someone posted a youtube video that showed proof the MJ was biologicaly the father of his own children (such as showing Princes skin closeups with vitiligo spots,or a comparison of toddler pics of Prince with pics of his grandfather-or facial feature comparison) they were almost ran of the site...WHY? There is nothing wrong with standing behind the children and there is nothing wrong with saying "OMG Prince is a cutie and he looks like his dad"...There is nothing more demeaning about that then there is about me buying books that cite real and valid evidence that Michael was not a pedophile...wich OMG coincidently has nothing to do with the hoax either.
 This thread was showing media bias as many other threads have done. It was not about MJs sexual private life and it was not to get people on here who obviously think he was not the father to start arguments.
 HERE is my really big pet peeve...yes there are  many many parents who are not biological parent...and no sperm does not make you a FATHER-not where it counts. BUT, if I ,after years of hearing MJ defend himself and say over and over that yes he was their father,yes he and Debbie really were married,yes yes yes...and then to say "oh well I don't think that ever really happened but it doesnt matter because he was their father the way it counted...obviously not biologicly but that doesn't matter...the in a sense I am saying he is lying-yes and a liar is a liar is a liar. Well I believed everything else he ever said so yes I believe the kids have his blood in them
 Now for my own "bi-racial" friends experience. I had a friend who I had no earthly idea her mom was black-her hair was light light bron,her skin was kind of light olive color (now that I think of it it was actualy Paris's color) her eyes were blue green. Her mom was black and her dad hawaiin.
 If anyone has read Aphrodite Jones book ,Debbie Rowe testified...in her testimony she talks about at that time she was in the middle of trying to get joint custody or custody back for her children...she said that this was actualy an attempt at trying to reunite with MJ, because she loved him very much and had tried to reconnect with him and was unable...wether this was ploy to get money or not ,I ,you are anybody else does not know,but I do feel that they had SOME FORM OF LOVE on some level.
  This is the only time I am posting about this and if I have to repeat it another thread I will -and if this turns out like some that were on the other forum I will lock it.
 Prince is a doll-and he loks like Michael
Paris is beautiful-she proabably acts like Michael
Blanket is a doll-and he looks incredibly like Michael and not just because he is darker.
It is not inapropriate for me to say so-defending Michaels children and their paternity is not wrong.
 DO NOT put nasty words in your posts.

Great post, NLP...I also believe the kids have his blood. If Michael says it, I believe him despite what Debbie Rowe says.
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Re: MJ and his children.... TIGER WOODS!!

  • on: December 05, 2009, 01:30:55 AM
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THIS IS IT

Ok I am gonna say this because things like this get me heated and heated fast. The only thing on this forum that gets me madder than all of us arguing over an innoncent thread started with genuine intentions is when people get in the "I love Mj better than you' contest. Look we all agree to have "open minds" and to "look at everything" and "to be MJs army and stop the bad press and clear his name"...until it comes to this.
 On the other forum every single time someone posted a youtube video that showed proof the MJ was biologicaly the father of his own children (such as showing Princes skin closeups with vitiligo spots,or a comparison of toddler pics of Prince with pics of his grandfather-or facial feature comparison) they were alsmost ran of the site...WHY? There is nothing wrong with standing behind the children and there is nothing wrong with saying "OMG Prince is a cutie and he looks like his dad"...There is nothing more demeaning about that then there is about me buying books that cite real and valid evidence that Michael was not a pedophile...wich OMG coincidently has nothing to do with the hoax either.
 This thread was showing media bias as many other threads have done. It was not about MJs sexual private life and it was not to get people one here who obviously think he was not the father to start argumesnt.

Hear, hear.  ;)
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Re: MJ and his children.... TIGER WOODS!!

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Re: MJ and his children.... TIGER WOODS!!

  • on: December 05, 2009, 03:40:58 AM
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Hey hey hey! Americans and the nation have a lot of internal issues however we are NOT crazy. Please do not make broad statements such as that. As an American, I do take offense to such statements. I do not know you or your country of origin. I do not know your nation's politics, economic state or status in the global community. However I will respect you as an individual and treat you with dignity. PLEASE do not bash my country! I am an American and I will not stand for it. Not now or ever.

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pfff leave tiger woods alone you are realy trippin america (like always :roll: ) no offense ;)

Couldn't have said it any better myself.
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Re: MJ and his children.... TIGER WOODS!!

  • on: December 05, 2009, 04:18:31 AM
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Michael isn't even 100% black, so of course his children will be biracial.
The first part is a good point. Most American black people who didn't just arrive from Africa, like me and Michael, are mixed, primarily with white and Native American.

But that doesn't mean our children will automatically be biracial. If we have kids with another black person who has two black parents, mixed or not, the kids will be black too, although they could have pretty much any skin tone or hair texture or eye color (the last depending on ancestry) imaginable.

All of this is irrelevant anyway, though. Michael's kids are his kids, and I really don't care if they have his DNA or not. He said they did, so they do, and I don't care how they got it either. Case closed for me.
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Re: MJ and his children.... TIGER WOODS!!

  • on: December 05, 2009, 04:36:20 AM
being a child from a background where I was asked multiple times if I was adopted.. I personally do not believe that DNA makes you a father. It is all about who is a "daddy." My father and I look extremely a lot a like, however, we act nothing alike. If you were to see me and my "daddy" next to each other, we walk the same, talk the same, and even make a lot of the same gestures... Why? because he was there through all of my tough moments. ok.. to my point, whether or not MJ's children are or are not BIOLOGICALLY his does NOT matter. They are HIS children because they were RAISED that way.. His children will act and pick up on his mannerisms... I believe that all of his kids are his, not matter what skin tone. My grandmother is Ukrainian and has olive skin and dark hair, her daughter is as pale as white bread and blonde, my father is dark olive skin and green eyes with dark hair. Kids come from genetics passed down. MJ's kids are NO different. They are beautiful! They LOVE their father!


If you think that they are not smart enough to get on the web and read what has been posted about them, then you are dumb. They are Michael's kids, they are brilliant. They have read everything and know what's going on. They believe one thing to be true, MJ was their Father, their daddy, their one and only, and to disrespect that would be ridiculous. Genetics have NOTHING to do with being a DADDY...
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Re: MJ and his children.... TIGER WOODS!!

  • on: December 05, 2009, 12:29:54 PM
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Michael isn't even 100% black, so of course his children will be biracial.
The first part is a good point. Most American black people who didn't just arrive from Africa, like me and Michael, are mixed, primarily with white and Native American.

But that doesn't mean our children will automatically be biracial. If we have kids with another black person who has two black parents, mixed or not, the kids will be black too, although they could have pretty much any skin tone or hair texture or eye color (the last depending on ancestry) imaginable.

All of this is irrelevant anyway, though. Michael's kids are his kids, and I really don't care if they have his DNA or not. He said they did, so they do, and I don't care how they got it either. Case closed for me.

what i meant was his kids are biracial or whatever because of him & debbie. i can't judge blanket because we don't know who his mother is.
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Re: MJ and his children.... TIGER WOODS!!

  • on: December 05, 2009, 03:55:31 PM
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THIS IS IT

Ok I am gonna say this because things like this get me heated and heated fast. The only thing on this forum that gets me madder than all of us arguing over an innoncent thread started with genuine intentions is when people get in the "I love Mj better than you' contest. Look we all agree to have "open minds" and to "look at everything" and "to be MJs army and stop the bad press and clear his name"...until it comes to this.
 On the other forum every single time someone posted a youtube video that showed proof the MJ was biologicaly the father of his own children (such as showing Princes skin closeups with vitiligo spots,or a comparison of toddler pics of Prince with pics of his grandfather-or facial feature comparison) they were alsmost ran of the site...WHY? There is nothing wrong with standing behind the children and there is nothing wrong with saying "OMG Prince is a cutie and he looks like his dad"...There is nothing more demeaning about that then there is about me buying books that cite real and valid evidence that Michael was not a pedophile...wich OMG coincidently has nothing to do with the hoax either.
 This thread was showing media bias as many other threads have done. It was not about MJs sexual private life and it was not to get people one here who obviously think he was not the father to start argumesnt.

Hear, hear.  ;)
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Re: MJ and his children.... TIGER WOODS!!

  • on: December 05, 2009, 07:55:01 PM
This thread started with someone intending to make a parallel between the bi-racial Woods children and the children of MJ. There are those who believe that MJ's kids are biologically his. There is another group that doubts whether that is true. I fall in the latter category. It's cool. At the end of the debate both sides can simply shake hands, hug and agree to disagree. A stop by the local bar for a cocktail would be cool too...lol. I'll buy the first round of drinks.  8-)  ;)

There is one reason and only one why I have suspected that MJ is not the biological father of those children. It has nothing to do with skin color/tone. I suspect that MJ was infertile and incapable of fathering children. Why? Two things lead me to the suspicion: 1)the sadistic beatings at the hand of his father and 2)MJ's efforts to even out his skin color in the area of his genitals. One or both events may have led to Mj's infertility.

According to the tapes between MJ and Rabbi Schmuley, MJ revealed that his father would order the boys to strip nude and that the father would oil them down and proceed to beat them mercilously with belts/cords. A child will squirm and move around during such a horrific activity. It is not likely that the belt missed a particularly sensitive part of a young male child's  body either. Repeated beatings with an object such as a belt or cord would inflict more damage than pain. The pain eventually subsides. It does not take a lot to permanently damage that part of the male anatomy and it's internal operating nerves and functioning capabilities. It is very vulnerable.

The skin treatments aka bleaching creams are designed for certain external parts of the body. They are effective on those areas that are not overly sensitive and vulnerable for chemical poisoning. MJ and Debbie Rowe met as a result of him burning his scrotum while he  applied bleaching cream to his genitals. She treated him for the burns. The burns may have been simply burns or they may have escalated to chemical poisoning. It is unknown how long he had applied the creams before the results took a turn for the worst and required medical attention. Chemical poisoning is one of several causes for male infertility.

I do not bring this up for any reason other than for people to consider that it is possible that Mj was not the biological father. However....what matters most is that in every other sense, MJ  is their father and that is what counts first and last and most. He has raised and loved those children so they are indeed his children in every other sense of the word.

Peace and L.O.V.E.
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Re: MJ and his children.... TIGER WOODS!!

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I suspect that MJ was infertile and incapable of fathering children.

What do you mean?  The autopsy report said he had active sperm!  :lol:
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Re: MJ and his children.... TIGER WOODS!!

  • on: December 05, 2009, 08:21:32 PM
Any man can produce sperm. Does the sperm produce children? Now... that is the REAL question. Ok?  8-)

 
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I suspect that MJ was infertile and incapable of fathering children.

What do you mean?  The autopsy report said he had active sperm!  :lol:
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Re: MJ and his children.... TIGER WOODS!!

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Re: MJ and his children.... TIGER WOODS!!

  • on: December 05, 2009, 09:07:54 PM
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THIS IS IT

Ok I am gonna say this because things like this get me heated and heated fast. The only thing on this forum that gets me madder than all of us arguing over an innoncent thread started with genuine intentions is when people get in the "I love Mj better than you' contest. Look we all agree to have "open minds" and to "look at everything" and "to be MJs army and stop the bad press and clear his name"...until it comes to this.
 On the other forum every single time someone posted a youtube video that showed proof the MJ was biologicaly the father of his own children (such as showing Princes skin closeups with vitiligo spots,or a comparison of toddler pics of Prince with pics of his grandfather-or facial feature comparison) they were almost ran of the site...WHY? There is nothing wrong with standing behind the children and there is nothing wrong with saying "OMG Prince is a cutie and he looks like his dad"...There is nothing more demeaning about that then there is about me buying books that cite real and valid evidence that Michael was not a pedophile...wich OMG coincidently has nothing to do with the hoax either.
 This thread was showing media bias as many other threads have done. It was not about MJs sexual private life and it was not to get people on here who obviously think he was not the father to start arguments.
 HERE is my really big pet peeve...yes there are  many many parents who are not biological parent...and no sperm does not make you a FATHER-not where it counts. BUT, if I ,after years of hearing MJ defend himself and say over and over that yes he was their father,yes he and Debbie really were married,yes yes yes...and then to say "oh well I don't think that ever really happened but it doesnt matter because he was their father the way it counted...obviously not biologicly but that doesn't matter...the in a sense I am saying he is lying-yes and a liar is a liar is a liar. Well I believed everything else he ever said so yes I believe the kids have his blood in them
 Now for my own "bi-racial" friends experience. I had a friend who I had no earthly idea her mom was black-her hair was light light bron,her skin was kind of light olive color (now that I think of it it was actualy Paris's color) her eyes were blue green. Her mom was black and her dad hawaiin.
 If anyone has read Aphrodite Jones book ,Debbie Rowe testified...in her testimony she talks about at that time she was in the middle of trying to get joint custody or custody back for her children...she said that this was actualy an attempt at trying to reunite with MJ, because she loved him very much and had tried to reconnect with him and was unable...wether this was ploy to get money or not ,I ,you are anybody else does not know,but I do feel that they had SOME FORM OF LOVE on some level.
  This is the only time I am posting about this and if I have to repeat it another thread I will -and if this turns out like some that were on the other forum I will lock it.
 Prince is a doll-and he loks like Michael
Paris is beautiful-she proabably acts like Michael
Blanket is a doll-and he looks incredibly like Michael and not just because he is darker.
It is not inapropriate for me to say so-defending Michaels children and their paternity is not wrong.
 DO NOT put nasty words in your posts.

Great post, NLP...I also believe the kids have his blood. If Michael says it, I believe him despite what Debbie Rowe says.

Well...Debbie has pretty much maintained that they are his kids...so
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Re: MJ and his children.... TIGER WOODS!!

  • on: December 05, 2009, 11:23:00 PM
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THIS IS IT

Great post, NLP...I also believe the kids have his blood. If Michael says it, I believe him despite what Debbie Rowe says.

Well...Debbie has pretty much maintained that they are his kids...so

Last post on this subject..

 Not according to this and a hundred other articles around the internet

http://www.examiner.com/x-5186-Celebrit ... -Rowe-says

...I don't know how true this is, but   what is believable anymore?
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Re: MJ and his children.... TIGER WOODS!!

  • on: December 05, 2009, 11:57:18 PM
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American people are crazy

pfff leave tiger woods alone you are realy trippin america (like always :roll: ) no offense ;)

In defense of Americans I would like to say that not all of us feel that way or treat Michael that way. I know the majority do, but please know that all of us are not that way.   :)
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Re: MJ and his children.... TIGER WOODS!!

  • on: December 07, 2009, 12:13:48 PM
Debbie Rowe was paid  handsomely to say and do quite a number of things for Michael Jackson. She has played her role and served him well.
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THIS IS IT

Ok I am gonna say this because things like this get me heated and heated fast. The only thing on this forum that gets me madder than all of us arguing over an innoncent thread started with genuine intentions is when people get in the "I love Mj better than you' contest. Look we all agree to have "open minds" and to "look at everything" and "to be MJs army and stop the bad press and clear his name"...until it comes to this.
 On the other forum every single time someone posted a youtube video that showed proof the MJ was biologicaly the father of his own children (such as showing Princes skin closeups with vitiligo spots,or a comparison of toddler pics of Prince with pics of his grandfather-or facial feature comparison) they were almost ran of the site...WHY? There is nothing wrong with standing behind the children and there is nothing wrong with saying "OMG Prince is a cutie and he looks like his dad"...There is nothing more demeaning about that then there is about me buying books that cite real and valid evidence that Michael was not a pedophile...wich OMG coincidently has nothing to do with the hoax either.
 This thread was showing media bias as many other threads have done. It was not about MJs sexual private life and it was not to get people on here who obviously think he was not the father to start arguments.
 HERE is my really big pet peeve...yes there are  many many parents who are not biological parent...and no sperm does not make you a FATHER-not where it counts. BUT, if I ,after years of hearing MJ defend himself and say over and over that yes he was their father,yes he and Debbie really were married,yes yes yes...and then to say "oh well I don't think that ever really happened but it doesnt matter because he was their father the way it counted...obviously not biologicly but that doesn't matter...the in a sense I am saying he is lying-yes and a liar is a liar is a liar. Well I believed everything else he ever said so yes I believe the kids have his blood in them
 Now for my own "bi-racial" friends experience. I had a friend who I had no earthly idea her mom was black-her hair was light light bron,her skin was kind of light olive color (now that I think of it it was actualy Paris's color) her eyes were blue green. Her mom was black and her dad hawaiin.
 If anyone has read Aphrodite Jones book ,Debbie Rowe testified...in her testimony she talks about at that time she was in the middle of trying to get joint custody or custody back for her children...she said that this was actualy an attempt at trying to reunite with MJ, because she loved him very much and had tried to reconnect with him and was unable...wether this was ploy to get money or not ,I ,you are anybody else does not know,but I do feel that they had SOME FORM OF LOVE on some level.
  This is the only time I am posting about this and if I have to repeat it another thread I will -and if this turns out like some that were on the other forum I will lock it.
 Prince is a doll-and he loks like Michael
Paris is beautiful-she proabably acts like Michael
Blanket is a doll-and he looks incredibly like Michael and not just because he is darker.
It is not inapropriate for me to say so-defending Michaels children and their paternity is not wrong.
 DO NOT put nasty words in your posts.

Great post, NLP...I also believe the kids have his blood. If Michael says it, I believe him despite what Debbie Rowe says.

Well...Debbie has pretty much maintained that they are his kids...so
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Re: MJ and his children.... TIGER WOODS!!

  • on: December 07, 2009, 01:00:56 PM
I have said before and I will say again I do not think it is appropriate to write of the biological paternity of Michaels children. I am disgusted reading all this stuff-"they are his blood"-"they are not his" bla bla bla and then it will start all over again. I am wondering what the hell it has got to do with the fact if he hoaxed his death? Is it our business? Would anyone on this forum like strangers on the internet questioning your parentage? It is throughly inappropiate and personal and it is this kind of impersonal stuff that Michael detested the tabloids/media for. Don't think for one minute because you are saying the kids are bioligically his you are "sticking up" for him and are on his side as this is a purely personal topic that should on no account and in no circumstances be discussed at all. You are all talking as if you were DNA testers and experts in race and colour etc and unless you have done this or been in the actual room to witness conception or some such thing then you do not know. As far as I am concerned the kids were loved and cared for and Michael was raising them so he was their father.
My Husband is black and I am a blue eyed blonde but I would not dream of discussing my childrens hair/eyes colour on the internet to prove a point or otherwise. We are all human beings and all different colours etc but we all have feelings and are entitled to privacy. These are children you are discussing-innocent children who do not deserve this-they loved their father and we all have feelings so please can we stop? Basically what you are doing in saying Michael is their biological father is that men who cannot father a child are not as "man" as a guy who can which is total rubbish as is very demeaning to all men who do have problems and cannot father a child. I have known couples who have adopted children and I have not seen more loving parents.
Apart from getting nowhere with this thread it serves no purpose at all, what is the point in knowing this?
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Re: MJ and his children.... TIGER WOODS!!

  • on: December 08, 2009, 06:25:34 PM
Wow!

Well, we all should share without letting this topic get into an argument. I see what the person who originally posted was getting at  My son is mixed. I have no shame of saying it because he is my son.  His hair is as fine as his father who is white, at the end of the day he is still my son.  I have had stairs because I am dark complexioned.  I use to get weird stares of why I had a real light complexioned son who skin has now tanned due to being out in the sun.  
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Re: MJ and his children.... TIGER WOODS!!

  • on: December 08, 2009, 07:04:51 PM
I am an adult who is unaccustomed to being censored. Members of forums should be able to freely discuss topics without members taking the subject matter so personally. Individuals have differing opinions and viewpoints. That is expected since many of us come from various backgrounds,  cultures, and life experiences. Some people are closed and  private while others discuss issues freely and openly. When it gets to the point of personal insults then naturally the conversations should cease. If a thread is not to my liking, I look through the countless others  and select one more suited to my taste. It's a waste of my time to jump on a thread topic that is of no interest to me.  We are not stepfords who walk in a lock step manner of thinking. I may disagree with an opinion but trust me, I will not lose sleep or my temper. Someone else sees "partly cloudy weather" and I see "partly sunny weather". It's not that critical to me.  I don't take the differing opinion as a personal attack but as a  differing opinion. It is nothing deeper or more profound than that. On a personal note, I deal with an economic crisis, job uncertainty, escalating wars, concern over health issues and the care of elderly relatives. MJ, Tiger Woods and all other celebrities rate pretty low on the priority list of who or what I'll  lose my cool over. Please please people...relax, breathe in, and exhale. MJ is doing just fine. We should try to do the same as well.
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