Murray Allegedly Stopped CPR to Hide Drugs

[virgo75]

Can anyone give me another explanation as to why his eyes would be wide open???

I dont mean to upset anyone here..  but for one minute imagine he has died..  he must have been awake for his eyes to be open and not asleep..  right??  Anyone help me here with this one.  Im deeply disturbed by this.

I don't want to be negative, but I'm with you on this.
If he did pass, then this was intentional murder.
No accidental propofol overdose or just negligence on Murray's part.
The propofol could be a coverup for something else.
But what else???   :?

And it would kinda (I think?) explain the propofol in his system.
If propofol is metabolized quickly, then under "normal" circumstances it would have been out of his body pretty quickly.
Unless it was given to him shortly before or after death?
Then it wouldn't be processed out if his body is no longer "processing."  

I'd like to think this is all just "drama" and hope that it is.
But I'm not willing to dismiss everything as a joke when there's a possibility it isn't.
That wouldn't be fair to Michael.

[paula-c]

I'm no doctor, but propofol is an anesthetic, is supposed to be very sleepy 8-)

[Zen]

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Another article on this.

I find it too disturbing that Michael had eyes open, BUT they have been claiming this
all along.    

[somekindofsign]

And why would he hide it at all if ...

"One very informed source says the LAPD investigation was "exhaustive" and "extremely thorough" and the D.A. has enough evidence to pull the trigger on a criminal case against Dr. Murray. That said, we're told the case is complicated, in part because Dr. Murray did not break any laws in administering Propofol to Jackson

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Posted Jan 8th 2010 8:30AM by TMZ Staff


And íf he could legally administer propofol to him...
What is he charged with involuntary manslaughter for?
Bad CPR?
Losing time hidding legal anesthesics?
Talk at the phone?
All of the above?

 :lol:

If there were other strong motives we should know by now...

[lotus_sutra]

This is to those who are worried if MJ may have been awake, if in fact he was murdered...
Lots of ppl do sleep with their eyes open...they close them to fall asleep but they open while sleeping...my ex used to sleep like that and it would scare the he** out of me at times! :lol:

[jacilovesmichael]

Hmm..

Seriously - IF this was a murder, why on earth would this information just be surfacing NOW? After an 8 month investigation. If Alvarez was there, and it was a planned murder, then he would have known what was going on and he would have been instructed NOT to speak about it, right?

Of course there is a chance that he had agreed to be silent and later felt too guilty, breaking his agreement. But wouldn't there be some kind of consequences involved in that?

I think this is just more drama, more excitement, to the hoax.

"piece by piece... until MJ is revealed..."

The reason this keeps getting more bizzare and fiction-like is because it IS bizzare and IS fiction.

I don't believe this because I want to, I believe it because nothing else makes sense.

Remember, when Michael was charged with child molestation, there was a LOT of false evidence. People simply MADE UP STORIES that caused the public to think of him as a guilty man when he was 100% innocent... Just like we are doing with Murray.

If all of this is proven in court, if Murray goes to prison, then yes - perhaps I will believe it was murder. Until then, I will believe in all the evidence we have accumulated since 6/25/09. It is 1000% more convincing than this BS.

[kdkennedy74]

I don't know what to think about this. This is from the article I found on MSN.com on the second page of the article:

Murray told the men it was his first time performing CPR, Alvarez said, though Chernoff said Murray had administered CPR many times before.

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"Murray told the men it was his first time performing CPR, Alvarez said"

Now my thought on this is how could Dr. Murray, being a cardiologist AND being the personal physician to one of the most famous people in world, have never performed CPR before? I just can't see MJ hiring a doctor who didn't even know the basics of his own field of study. We all know MJ only had the very best around him. Also, Alvarez has been a part of Michael's staff for many, many years and one thing I remember from last June is that even Alvarez' wife did not know where he was (either that or she wasn't saying). I personally think that if anyone knew what was going to happen and helped to plan the events of that day it would have been him. Michael obviously trusted him implicitly.

Any thoughts?

[Marissa87]

I read the articles on TMZ and the first thing I thought of was that I needed to go on here so someone could dissect it for me.

Thanks for giving piece of mind again guys! I was so confused by the articles.

[jacilovesmichael]

I personally think that if anyone knew what was going to happen and helped to plan the events of that day it would have been him. Michael obviously trusted him implicitly.

Any thoughts?

Yes, Michael had said before that Murray was a great doctor, had taken care of his children, and also that he was a good friend.

So - either Murray is a great actor (which he is either way - LOL) or he is in on the hoax and agreed to help Michael pull it off.

I'd help Michael out in a heartbeat even if my career were on the line - ESPECIALLY knowing how well planned it was and the fact that Michael wouldn't really die so there's no real risk of getting into trouble.

Sure, there might still be consequences for lying, but not the same as killing someone.  Murray probably believes in the causes for the hoax as much as Michael. Instead of the thing that ruins his career as a doctor, perhaps the hoax is the pinnacle of his career by getting to use his position to pull of a hoax that could potentially change the world.

[MJEnjoyYourself]

Hmm..

Seriously - IF this was a murder, why on earth would this information just be surfacing NOW? After an 8 month investigation. If Alvarez was there, and it was a planned murder, then he would have known what was going on and he would have been instructed NOT to speak about it, right?

Of course there is a chance that he had agreed to be silent and later felt too guilty, breaking his agreement. But wouldn't there be some kind of consequences involved in that?

I think this is just more drama, more excitement, to the hoax.

"piece by piece... until MJ is revealed..."

The reason this keeps getting more bizzare and fiction-like is because it IS bizzare and IS fiction.

I don't believe this because I want to, I believe it because nothing else makes sense.

Remember, when Michael was charged with child molestation, there was a LOT of false evidence. People simply MADE UP STORIES that caused the public to think of him as a guilty man when he was 100% innocent... Just like we are doing with Murray.

If all of this is proven in court, if Murray goes to prison, then yes - perhaps I will believe it was murder. Until then, I will believe in all the evidence we have accumulated since 6/25/09. It is 1000% more convincing than this BS.

i agree with you

[Sarahli]

Of course Dr. Murray is part of the hoax. We have to think in "hoax mode" and read between the lines, even make parallels with Michael's court case. They had absolutely nothing against him but it went until a trial. It just shows us how some bad and high-placed people can create and use lies, twist the truth to achieve their goals with total impunity. The press of course plays a big part because it shapes people's mind into thinking what they want.
I don't trust the news it's often a copy-paste of one source and in the Dr Murray case more than ever. We have to learn the lesson for once and for all, just because it's in the print doesn't mean it's the gospel.
Let's wait and see what's coming next...

[somekindofsign]

Sarahli, totally agree with you.

"hoax mode"?  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

I love it!

Even if this is not a hoax, everyone is innocent until proven guilty.

[lotus_sutra]

I still don't believe Murray is a real person...I think it's a made-up name with a made-up face walking on stilts, borrowed from the circus!    

(on a serious note, I think I am either pmsing or have seriously lost my mind...I am beyond frustrated with all of this the last few days, I feel like I am going to crawl out of my skin!!!  I want to walk away more than anything, yet I am weak and unable to...why am I addicted to this???)

[somekindofsign]

Because you can´t stop till your questions are answered?
Because they are BIG questions.
It happens to me too.

[luchy]

Murray  doing CPR on the bed or doing absolutely nothing is the same thing

the doctor did 2 nonsense:

do CPR on the bed and stop the procedure to store medications in the bag

 any doctor would know that every second is vital for the patient.