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Re: Ed Chernoff on Good Morning America
April 06, 2010, 04:27:14 PM
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Isn't it usual for a doctor under suspicion of homicide to be suspended until such time as a trial may or may not take place and then only allowed to continue practicing medicine if he is found not guilty?

in real world, yes. in hoax world, no.

From your mouth to God's ears.  I am praying that this is a hoax.  Because if not, I think he will get off.  Like other people said above, it could have been anybody going in the room.  Not necessarially MJ.  It all is looking really bad, before the trial even begins.  

But on the other side of that, isn't that what is to be expected if it is a hoax?  I never believed that MJ would allow CM to do time for killing him.  This would put him in the clear for a BAM day.  

And interesting that the trial or whatever the next phase of this show, is falling in June?  ;) Those of you in the U.S. and remember the old Church lady on SNL, "How conveeenient"  :lol:
Btw, any more news on the URI show and the big announcement for this week????


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 :lol: dana carvey, right! priceless! i remember old mtv days when this show was played here, too. looong time ago...goes to show how 'old' i am... :roll:

about the 'other' people in the house: how come there was never any mention about how many staff people were actually there. from what i get over here (german news + mainly internet), all i could say would be the chef, maybe 3 bodyguards, dr. murray, the nanny and the kids. i remember hearing from the chef that 'all staff members' were dismissed that day but never a mention of the number of people.  
is there any info i might have missed how many people were actually mike's daily staff, or present at that time? how come none of them has showed up yet? the chef made statements, were the other ones supposed to disappear never to be seen again?  
wouldn't they also have to be called as witnesses?

regarding ed's 'interview': he looks like the kind of lawyer my parents always warned me of. upper class, always grinning, too self assured, cigar smoking prick! he 'intends' to win on 'evidence' based on the smoke he's blowing out himself.  

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OMG!! im speechless! ive been so speechless lately!!!!

Me too!!!
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Re: Ed Chernoff on Good Morning America
April 07, 2010, 02:02:01 AM
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This is getting crazier and crazier by the minute; what happened to the other doctors that were being investigated? That story just seemed to fall off the map.

@Butterflyaway, here is an article I found.  It is older article.  Maybe helpful to you.
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Jackson Investigation Reportedly Centers on 5 Doctors

A Prescription Database May Offer More Clues About Doctors' Role in Jackson's Drug Use

By RICHARD ESPOSITO, VIC WALTER, DAN CHILDS and CHRISTINA CARON

July 5, 2009

The heat is on for several of Michael Jackson's former doctors.

The Los Angeles Times is now reporting that investigators are focusing on at least five doctors who prescribed drugs to Michael Jackson. Cherilyn Lee says Michael Jackson asked her for a powerful sleep aid.

Citing anonymous sources in law enforcement, the Los Angeles Times also reported that investigators found some prescription bottles in Jackson's home that had Jackson pseudonyms, as well as other bottles without labels. None reportedly had official prescription labels.

In the meantime, California Attorney General Jerry Brown has joined the investigation into Michael Jackson's death. The Bureau of Narcotic Enforcement is currently searching the Controlled Substance Utilization Review and Evaluation System (CURES), a database Brown says will be a critical part of the investigation. Employees will search for aliases as they help investigate Jackson's death, Brown told the AP.

The state database keeps track of which controlled substances are dispensed, the strength of those drugs, the quanitity, and to whom they are prescribed.

California doctors and pharmacies are required to report to the California Department of Justice every prescription that they write for tightly controlled drugs with a high potential for abuse.

CURES was instrumental during the Anna Nicole Smith case when the California Department of Justice conducted a two-year probe assisted by the Drug Enforcement Administration. Ultimately, Howard K. Stern, Smith's lawyer and longtime companion, as well as Khristine Eroshevich and Sandeep Kapoor, two of Smith's doctors, were arraigned earlier this year on charges of conspiracy to unlawfully prescribe a controlled substance and to prescribe, administer or dispense a controlled substance to an addict. They all denied the charges.


"What we have in this case is a conspiracy among three individuals," Attorney General Brown said during a March news conference on the Smith case. "Howard K. Stern is the principal enabler. Dr. Eroshevich and Dr. Kapoor are prescribing drugs excessively to a known addict and using false and fictitious names, all in violation of the law."

Brown said the case is expected to come to trial later this year.

Propofol, Also Known as Diprivan, Found in Jackson's HomeLaw enforcement sources have told ABC News they discovered the powerful sedative propofol in the home where pop icon Michael Jackson's suffered a fatal cardiac arrest last month.

The drug was just one of many among the pharmacopeia found in his Holmby Hills home. Officials have previously said that they believe the star was addicted to a daily dose of the pain medications OxyContin and Demerol and that Jackson was injected with Demerol shortly before his death June 25.

A lawyer for Dr. Conrad Murray, Jackson's personal physician, said the doctor had prescribed neither OxyContin nor Demerol to the pop icon. He has not commented on Diprivan.

Some of the findings appear to confirm reports by those close to Jackson, 50, that the singer had been abusing prescription drugs. On July 1, Los Angeles registered nurse and nutritionist Cherilyn Lee, who worked for Michael Jackson, came forward to saythe pop star begged her to help him obtain the drug in the days before he died.

The drug -- also known by the brand name Diprivan -- is most often used to sedate patients before a medical procedure, but it is also one that palliative care workers have been known to administer to terminal patients who are in pain or who have weeks or days to live.

Lee said during a call from a Jackson staffer she heard Jackson in the background requesting the sedative.

"He said, 'Find me an anesthesiologist. I don't care how much money they want. find me an anesthesiologist to be with me here overnight and give me this IV,'" she said.

Jackson, Lee said, said he was in extreme discomfort, was desperate for sleep and said that one side of his body was hot and the other side cold.

Lee said she wasn't familiar with the drug when he first asked for it three months ago, but after consulting with a doctor, she warned Jackson it could kill him.

"'I look at you Michael and I've been around you long enough now, I love you as family. I would not give this to anyone,'" Lee said she told Jackson. "I said, 'This is not a safe medicine, please don't take this.'" Pain specialists told ABC News that home use of the risky drug would be highly unusual, since it's ordinarily given in a hospital setting due to its health risks. Obtaining propofol with a simple prescription is next to impossible. "Propofol has no place in a household," said Dr. Lloyd Saberski, a Yale University anesthesiologist and editor in chief of the journal The Pain Clinic. "This alone is a deviation, and many laws were likely violated just to get the propofol there." Moreover, an injection of the drug requires that someone be present to continually administer it intravenously, said Dr. Howard Nearman, chairman of the anesthesiology department at University Hospitals Case Medical Center in Cleveland.

Nearman said there "absolutely" had to be a second party with Jackson if indeed he was using the drug to sleep. Whether or not propofol was in Jackson's system at the time of his death will only be answered with the release of the pop star's autopsy results, which the Los Angeles County coroner's office has said will take weeks.


Propofol Known as 'Milk of Amnesia'The potency of Propofol as an anesthetic is widely known; in anesthesiology circles, the drug, a white liquid, is termed "milk of amnesia" by some. "Propofol is an agent that requires very close monitoring and is often limited only to use by anesthesiologists," said Dr. Richard Page, head of cardiology at the University of Washington medical center. "The main issue with this agent is respiratory depression, which in turn could cause cardiac arrest." "It is a very dangerous drug," said Dr. Brian Olshansky, a cardiologist at the University of Iowa who said he often uses the drug to place patients in deep sedation for certain heart procedures. "It is not for sleep. I cannot imagine anyone would use this outside a very regulated environment such as the availability of emergency respiratory equipment."


Propofol Poses Dangers to Abusers

One main reason for this, he said, is the speed with which the drug has its effect. "It rapidly induces unconsciousness and apnea," Olshansky said. "People stop breathing within seconds of being given the drug."

These characteristics of the drug make it an exceedingly unusual choice for abuse, said Dr. Jeff Guy of Vanderbilt University, who said such a situation would represent "a quantum leap in the issue of substance abuse." But despite the effects and risk profile of the drug, Nearman said that patients who've had the drug describe it as inducing "a very pleasant sleep" that "has the potential to be habit-forming." And Dr. Bruce Goldberger, chief of forensic pathology at the University of Florida, noted that the drug "also acts as an aphrodisiac in men -- it has been reported that men have very vivid sexual dreams while under Propofol anesthesia.

Federal, Local Officials Continue Investigation

The discovery of the drugs in Jackson's home marks a point at which federal agents had begun to define their role in the Michael Jackson death probe and shape their team which would work to assist the Los Angeles Police Department. The LAPD robbery and homicide division is the lead agency on the case, and the Drug Enforcement Administration's Diversion Division is assisting. ABC News' Roger Sergel contributed to this report.


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I highly doubt MJ injected himself. No way in a million yrs he would do that.

IF....and thats a big IF, he did die, then someone else injected him while Murray was out of the room and then they removed the security tapes so they wouldnt be seen doing it and then blamed Murray.

This also goes against the autopsy report that says it's not consistent with self injection. More cover up and lies at the expense of Michael. I'm not buying it any more than I did when he was accused of child molestation. Rubbish.

Very well-said! I do not believe one word that is being said at all against MJ.  He did not self-inject himself.  It is all lies and rubbish to me.
I am so tried of the years and the years of conspiring to destroy MJ.  They are all haters and are jealous of MJ.  

Applehead, I love you no matter what the world says against you.  I love you with all my heart.  We all love you the most, Applehead! xxxx
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Re: Ed Chernoff on Good Morning America
April 07, 2010, 04:27:27 AM
it still baffles me that c.m didnt call an ambulance earlier as there was no house phone in the room..but he had a cell phone he was gabbing on for god knows how long.... :)   confused.com
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Re: Ed Chernoff on Good Morning America
April 07, 2010, 03:46:49 PM
Its looking that maybe CM aint goin to be serving time which is a good thing, considering MJ is alive.... as for the missing security tapes, come on guys what do you think they'll show?? MJ alive and well thats what and probs helping to set the scene  ;)    they are missing for 1 of 2 reasons and i firmly believe that MJ removed them himself especially since there is no trace of them   :D
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Re: Ed Chernoff on Good Morning America
April 07, 2010, 06:07:03 PM
Hello, Iam quite new on this forum although I did a few posts already. I am from germany.
Ive got a question:
Wasnt Ed Chernoff working together with Tom Mesereau for a brief time during MJ's trial 2005?
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April 07, 2010, 06:23:37 PM
Murray not guilty!!! Give me a break !  Giving him Proprofyl and 4 other meds in a course of 1 night, that is crazy!!  He had no business giving him all of those drugs mixed with Proprofyl.  When i went into surgery the doctors asked me 3 times what medications  I had taken and if I had taken some, they would postpone my surgery.  Yet DR. Greedy ass gives MJ 4 others meds,and Proprofyl together and he is claiming he did nothing wrong ! this is ridiculous !
Strip him of his medical license now, arrest his ass, put that fool in prison, where he belongs.  
Oh yeah, don't put him min solitary confinement put him with the general public.  I am sure MJ has lots of
fans who are serving time in prison.
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Re: Ed Chernoff on Good Morning America
April 07, 2010, 06:27:37 PM
MJ fans: Prepare for the Blame the Victim Defense
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Make no doubt about it. Conrad Murray (I will not do further damage to the profession of medicine by using his disgraced title) and his group of hired guns, otherwise known as defense attorneys, will sink to even lower depths as they try to save his freedom. For the record: I do not disparage all attorneys, only those that like their client will do anything for a buck. Or more correctly a lot of bucks.

When a perpetrator has no reasonable defense and nearly all hope is gone there is always one last desperate play: blame the victim.

I raped her cause she wanted it. The child had no loving father figure and wanted me to touch them. I only did it because I love her...She made me hit her. We've all heard it before and the world is very likely to hear it again when the victim, Michael Jackson, is put on trial instead of Conrad Murray.

The defense will spare no expense, truth or civility in their attempt to paint a very dark portrait of MJ the 'hopelessly addicted junkie' and probably far worse. They will add further spice as they include just a pinch of past troubles and allegations that have little if anything to do with his death. They will do their best to divert the attention away from their client and refocus the trial on the 'deeply troubled life of desperate man' that accidentally killed himself.

I pray (as a physician) that at the end of the day one question will be answered. Was it the reasonable standard of care in Los Angeles for a doctor to administer a powerful general anesthesia drug to a person in their bedroom that consequently caused the person (an alleged 'hopelessly addicted junkie or not) to die? Or was the doctor practicing sub-standard medicine, outside the scope of his training, in an inappropriate and insufficiently monitored setting?
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April 08, 2010, 07:06:53 AM
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Murray not guilty!!! Give me a break !  Giving him Proprofyl and 4 other meds in a course of 1 night, that is crazy!!  He had no business giving him all of those drugs mixed with Proprofyl.  When i went into surgery the doctors asked me 3 times what medications  I had taken and if I had taken some, they would postpone my surgery.  Yet DR. Greedy ass gives MJ 4 others meds,and Proprofyl together and he is claiming he did nothing wrong ! this is ridiculous !
Strip him of his medical license now, arrest his ass, put that fool in prison, where he belongs.  
Oh yeah, don't put him min solitary confinement put him with the general public.  I am sure MJ has lots of
fans who are serving time in prison.

that might just turn into another strategy for the lawyers to reach - if convicted at all - house arrest for murray, cuz they 'fear for his life'. i'm surprised the man is still walking the streets unharmed anyway... :mrgreen:
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i have incredible disguises, i can fool my own mother - mj 1988

...details at eleven...

wear something green!

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Re: Ed Chernoff on Good Morning America
April 08, 2010, 04:34:08 PM
HE DID NOT CALL 911 THOUGH HE HAD A CELL PHONE THAT HE USED CONTINOUSLY
FOR I DO NOT KNOW HOW LONG. CALLING WOMEN FRIENDS, TEXAS, DOCTOR'S BUT HE COULD NOT CALL 911 BECAUSE THERE WAS KNOW HOUSE PHONE???? THIS IS
IGNORANT BEYOND UNDERSTANDING!!! EITHER MICHAEL JACKSON IS ALIVE AND THIS IS ALL A HOAX OR HE ESCAPED, AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST MICHAEL JACKSON WAS MURDERD BY MURRY AND ALL OF THOSE WHO WERE HIS EMEMIES AND WANTED HIM DEAD FOR $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$:(
THOUGH I DID NOT KNOW MICHAEL JACKSON I NEVER THOUGHT HE WOULD JUST COME BACK TO L.A. KNOWING SO MANY PEOPLE WANTED HIM DEAD. MICHAEL IF TRUE WAS QUOTED SAYING " THEY ARE GOING TO KILL ME" WHAT DOES THAT MEAN UNLESS THEY
THREATEND TO KILL HIS MOTHER AND CHILDREN AND HE HAD TO COME BACK TO THE PIT OF HELL, FIRE & BRIMSTONE TO DO THIS CONCERT OUT OF L.A. THE TOUR WAS IN EUROPE SO WHY NOT DO EVERYTHING FROM THERE. IF YOU HAVE MONEY $$, JETS,
LIMOS, HOUSES ALL OVER THE WORLD BUT YOU COME BACK TO L.A. TO DIE.
UNLESS HE WAS MIND CONTROLLED, BRAIN WASHED, SOMETHING WAS PUT IN HIS FOOD OR DRINK. SORRY EVERYONE BUT FROM THE BEGINNING OF THIS MESS AND MADDNESS UNTIL NOW NOTHING MAKES NO SINCE AT ALL. NOTHING!!!!!!!!!
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Re: Ed Chernoff on Good Morning America
April 08, 2010, 06:43:21 PM
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HE DID NOT CALL 911 THOUGH HE HAD A CELL PHONE THAT HE USED CONTINOUSLY
FOR I DO NOT KNOW HOW LONG. CALLING WOMEN FRIENDS, TEXAS, DOCTOR'S BUT HE COULD NOT CALL 911 BECAUSE THERE WAS KNOW HOUSE PHONE???? THIS IS
IGNORANT BEYOND UNDERSTANDING!!! EITHER MICHAEL JACKSON IS ALIVE AND THIS IS ALL A HOAX OR HE ESCAPED, AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST MICHAEL JACKSON WAS MURDERD BY MURRY AND ALL OF THOSE WHO WERE HIS EMEMIES AND WANTED HIM DEAD FOR $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$:(
THOUGH I DID NOT KNOW MICHAEL JACKSON I NEVER THOUGHT HE WOULD JUST COME BACK TO L.A. KNOWING SO MANY PEOPLE WANTED HIM DEAD. MICHAEL IF TRUE WAS QUOTED SAYING " THEY ARE GOING TO KILL ME" WHAT DOES THAT MEAN UNLESS THEY
THREATEND TO KILL HIS MOTHER AND CHILDREN AND HE HAD TO COME BACK TO THE PIT OF HELL, FIRE & BRIMSTONE TO DO THIS CONCERT OUT OF L.A. THE TOUR WAS IN EUROPE SO WHY NOT DO EVERYTHING FROM THERE. IF YOU HAVE MONEY $$, JETS,
LIMOS, HOUSES ALL OVER THE WORLD BUT YOU COME BACK TO L.A. TO DIE.
UNLESS HE WAS MIND CONTROLLED, BRAIN WASHED, SOMETHING WAS PUT IN HIS FOOD OR DRINK. SORRY EVERYONE BUT FROM THE BEGINNING OF THIS MESS AND MADDNESS UNTIL NOW NOTHING MAKES NO SINCE AT ALL. NOTHING!!!!!!!!!

Your CAPS kill me..sorry :-(
I am in agreement here about this statement:
Chernoff said Murray did not immediately call 911 because there was no house phone in the room where Jackson was and he could not leave his patient to make the call.

This was quite freaking dumb of Chernoff to say when it is on every media's lips and pages that Conrad Murray was on the PHONE when he found Michael..ON THE PHONE Chernoff! I hope a jury can see that the lawyer's statements, made here in public are a complete fabrication of why Conrad Murray would not have called 911 earlier.

If MJ is dead (and sorry I can't smile and laugh like the rest of you when it remains possible) he should have called 911 immediately unless there is more to the story.

You know what? I think someone should make up T-Shirt with Chernoff's statements at the top and the on the phone statements at the bottom, so the world can see how guilty that makes them both look.
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