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The ambulance window is tinted.. look at the colour of the paramedics arms.
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Quote from: "DancingTheDream"
The ambulance window is tinted.. look at the colour of the paramedics arms.
But the white on MJs mouth piece is pretty much 'white'.
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Quote from: "Ninanina"
Quote from: "DancingTheDream"
The ambulance window is tinted.. look at the colour of the paramedics arms.
But the white on MJs mouth piece is pretty much 'white'.


Good point.
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Beside the eyes look at the difference between the equipment being used in the photo with MJ and the other photo posted with the anonymous person.  The equipment in the MJ photo look way old and outdated compared to the ambulances that are used now days.  That's another reason to believe the photo is old.
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Quote from: "Ninanina"
It's exactly the same - not a display problem.

It's not the same actually...the image I have on my computer shows more of the paramedic on the right hand side. But for some reason, when I post it, it cuts off the right side.
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Some good points made.  But I always think about the fact the Chris Weiss, Ben Eventads other half , is a paramedic and could have easily "helped out" if you know what I mean.  There's no doubt this is a real picture taken inside a real ambulance, but the patient could have been anyone before the editing.  Have the ambulance paramedics from 71 ever been interviewed?????  It doesn't look like MJ's eyes have opened.  I think it's the angle.  And yes, it is common for some people or even animals to open their eyes  just after death, as they take that last breathe.  

Have you ever watched an operation in a Hospital??  The patients are under propofol, and have always got their eyes taped down during the surgery.  Is this because their eyes open???  A question for LADYMEDIC.....just a thought.  As always with L.O.V.E  xox
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Is it a broken light on the car ?
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MJ said : You\'re kickin\' with the wrong leg !
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Quote from: "msteetee34"
Beside the eyes look at the difference between the equipment being used in the photo with MJ and the other photo posted with the anonymous person.  The equipment in the MJ photo look way old and outdated compared to the ambulances that are used now days.  That's another reason to believe the photo is old.
The MJ photo is NOT outdated. 100% is not. All ambulances are different inside. All of the equipment in that picture is very much current. I don't understand what people see as being old. Lifepak 12s are very new, the equipment they're using in general is all current (the ET tube, tube holder, veniguard, ETCO2, BVM, patches on the medics). Some of it my company uses now.

Quote from: "2good2btrue"
Some good points made.  But I always think about the fact the Chris Weiss, Ben Eventads other half , is a paramedic and could have easily "helped out" if you know what I mean.  There's no doubt this is a real picture taken inside a real ambulance, but the patient could have been anyone before the editing.  Have the ambulance paramedics from 71 ever been interviewed?????  It doesn't look like MJ's eyes have opened.  I think it's the angle.  And yes, it is common for some people or even animals to open their eyes  just after death, as they take that last breathe.  

Have you ever watched an operation in a Hospital??  The patients are under propofol, and have always got their eyes taped down during the surgery.  Is this because their eyes open???  A question for LADYMEDIC.....just a thought.  As always with L.O.V.E  xox
Ben is definitely NOT a paramedic. And he's a pretty crappy EMT from what I've heard him say. "8-10 minutes load and go". That's a bunch of junk. Ask any medic. Overall survival chances for cardiac arrest decline substantially after the first few minutes. It's irresponsible to "load and go with 8-10 minutes" for a cardiac arrest. Especially in this sense where they were going to presume. And I've had doctors tell me that if I haven't gotten any response, the patient isn't going to make it. Sure, you can get ROSC on random patients, but ROSC doesn't signify survival that far in to a code. It's just the medications. It very rarely can be sustained.

As for taping the eyes, while I don't know much about surgery because I work prehospitally, I do know some stuff. I had to do an OR rotation when I was in medic school where I did intubations and LMAs. I asked the anesthesiologists about this, and per them, it is just total preference. Some of the will, some won't. And it depends on the patient. If their eyes won't stay closed, they'll tape them. Sometimes all you need to do is close the lids and they stay shut. Other times they'll open again. One of the main reasons for taping the eyes is so they do not get dried out. (It's also to prevent cornea damage during the surgery, but obviously MJ wasn't having surgery.) I know some hospitals can have regulations about this kind of stuff, but where I was, it was the anesthesiologists decision.

And I have to say I do like what you're saying about the picture and the point I've been trying to make all along. Sure, this whole thing could be a hoax. But that does not mean that there is going to be error in everything they did. The ambulance photo, from the standpoint of a paramedic, is legit. As is the 911 call procedure. Does that mean it's MJ in the ambulance? No. But what they have done to the person/dummy/etc. is totally normal. And the equipment they're using is current.
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are we just repeating ourselves? :?
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Thank you Lady Medic. This should clear a lot of things up. We're hearing it from someone who works in this field and is a beLIEver. If you guys still think the picture is fake..then I guess nothing is going to convince you otherwise.

NOW...that doesn't mean that I believe that is Michael on that stretcher. I don't. Neither does Brian Oxman  :lol:  That doesn't look like the O2 Michael, any of the This Is It Michaels, or any recent MJ for a matter of fact. He is much younger & Darker

So I say..Keep the faith  :ugeek:
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but a photoshopped pix proves nothing

it does not prove he is alive nor that he is dead

the fact remains we did not see mike enter the ambulance or being transported in the ambulance and we have not seen him leave the ambulance, we do not seen him transported by helicopter or leaving the helicopter, we are told these things

he have not seen any body, not in the casket - we are just told things

since LAPD offer a taxi service for coffins we dont know anything
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I find the comments about the tinted windows interesting. It was shown in a vid a while ago that you can indeed see through the tinted windows just with your own eyes. There is footage out there of ben or chris or one of his guys following the ambulance with a vid camera. You can see in the footage on the camera that the paramedics and their badges can be seen through the same window the pic was shot through. There is also other footage where you can see the strip light in the ambulance and you can also see through the vehicle from back to front. I will try and get the links up to show you.

You have to be reasonable with the level of evidence you expect to see regarding MJ's death. Firstly you will never see his body - only family will see that. You would not see him being put into the ambulance because this happened behind the gates as expected. If the picture is real and not constructed, MJ was pictured in transit. He did leave the ambulance at the hospital, but the stretcher was surrounded by people, and ofcourse they never would have transported an uncovered body onto and off the helicopter. So what some people are expecting to see would never likely happen with a dead body anyway, least of all a very famous one. It's called protecting someone's dignity.
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Ok at 4.53 someone gets a shot of the stretcher through the gate. That is alvarez btw directly behind the gate. The stretcher is being loaded into the ambulance by paramedics. The ambulance doors are open.

At 5.03 you will see the paramedic in the same position as shown in the ambulance pic. You can also see his badge.

In this vid - You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login - between 1.25 and 1.26 you can see the lighting inside the ambulance, top left corner. If you play it beyond 1.25 i think the front windows are visible (can see right through from back to front). At 1.31 you can also see an inside light through the side window (keep clicking pause and you will get it).
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Also this article by latoya You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login states that his eyes were open at the hospital.

We hugged and kissed him and the children lifted up his hands. He didn’t look like he was gone. His eyes were half open and he looked like he was sleeping. He wasn’t cold.

Looking back, this was the first time ever that anyone stated his eyes were slightly open. The ambulance pic came out within a day of his death. If that pic was constructed, how would they know to have his eyes slightly open?

If we assume that MJ did die, and ben evanstead knew that only his crew were there to take the picture, perhaps he realised he could construct the picture without anyone else being able to offer another pic that would prove it was false. Perhaps he did take a picture of MJ inside the ambulance, but discovered it was not good enough so decided to doctor it in some way. In this scenario the question would still stand - how did he know to have his eyes slightly open?I guess it depends on what you think was actually doctored.

Also, if he was going to construct that pic, he had to have had prior knowledge of what they did/were doing to mj in terms of what he should look like. He could not have accessed such information before the pic came out.
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So at face value, the pic looks accurate in terms of what the paramedics did (their report). So, if you think that the pic is completely fabricated - hoax - and designed to have everything corroborate, then you would expect it to be accurate as part of the hoax plan (yet the hoax is not proven).

A second option is that MJ did die but the pic was completely fabricated (how did ben get it so accurate though?).

Third option is MJ did die, ben got an incomplete pic and doctored it in some way to enhance the image - possible.

Fourth option is the picture is 100% genuine and undoctored.

I go with the 3rd or 4th. Is it me or is there slight lividity on the left shoulder underneath?
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