Roman Numeral XI on MJ's chest.

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Roman Numeral XI on MJ's chest.

  • on: April 26, 2010, 03:19:18 AM
Im not to sure if this has been spoke about, I checked and saw nothing. So on the HIStory album cover he has an XI on his chest, if you take a look at the Roman numeral symbol for the number 11 that is the symbol you get. I was wondering if 2011 was what the meaning he had that there for. The album is called HIStory past,present, and future. In 2011 the dancer's contracts will be up, cirq show will be going on. Just thought I would put it out there since we connect the 7's (which are also on his armband in the photo of the album cover).



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_numerals
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Re: Roman Numeral XI on MJ's chest.

  • on: April 26, 2010, 03:42:50 AM
Do you think he would look that far into this? I know he is a master of his art and a genius at what he does but all these codes and numbers? He wasn't a mathmetician but he may have done this on purpose for people like us. I just don't know anymore, maybe he did rely on numbers. Maybe numerology held a place in his heart. 777! Great post though.
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Re: Roman Numeral XI on MJ's chest.

  • on: April 27, 2010, 03:54:27 AM
You can never tell when it comes to this man. Thank you it was just something that caught my eye  :)
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Re: Roman Numeral XI on MJ's chest.

  • on: January 25, 2011, 02:33:05 PM
Also what do you think or where do you think MJ was going when he put book 1? He was thinking more in the future  ;) Just thinking aloud.
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Re: Roman Numeral XI on MJ's chest.

  • on: January 25, 2011, 02:36:20 PM
Interesting post...never thought of that
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Re: Roman Numeral XI on MJ's chest.

  • on: January 25, 2011, 02:38:01 PM
Omg becca26, you're right! Book 2 will post BAM, it all makes sense! Haha this is amazing, all so adequately planned! ;)
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Re: Roman Numeral XI on MJ's chest.

  • on: January 25, 2011, 03:04:57 PM
Not sure but why name it past present and future  :D
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Re: Roman Numeral XI on MJ's chest.

  • on: January 25, 2011, 03:32:25 PM
Yes exactly! Now after this "death" and all the investigating we've done, it is all so much more interesting and it all makes so much more sense looking back on things like this. Also, to think that we know a lot now, imagine when MJ BAMS and we get more surprises - this is mind blowing! And I'm loving every minute of it!
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Re: Roman Numeral XI on MJ's chest.

  • on: January 25, 2011, 03:57:51 PM
Very interesting post.  It makes a lot of sense becca.  Of course Michael was very forward-thinking and numerology appears to be important to him too -- we have so many examples of it.  Not thinking that far in the future???  He has a spaceship in the History Tour that says 2040!!!

Many believe the hoax has been in the works since the 80's.  I think I agree. You'd have to plan way in advance given how intricate it is.    I hadn't really noticed that the design on his chest is actually a roman numeral.   Awesome!  I hope it does mean 2011.  11 would certainly be an important number for him if the 29th of August is his birthday.  29 = 11.
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Re: Roman Numeral XI on MJ's chest.

  • on: January 25, 2011, 04:29:58 PM
Quote from: "SoldierofLOVE"
Very interesting post.  It makes a lot of sense becca.  Of course Michael was very forward-thinking and numerology appears to be important to him too -- we have so many examples of it.  Not thinking that far in the future???  He has a spaceship in the History Tour that says 2040!!!

Many believe the hoax has been in the works since the 80's.  I think I agree. You'd have to plan way in advance given how intricate it is.    I hadn't really noticed that the design on his chest is actually a roman numeral.   Awesome!  I hope it does mean 2011.  11 would certainly be an important number for him if the 29th of August is his birthday.  29 = 11.[/color]
He'll be 82 only!
Book 2 is going to be awesome!

http://www.greatdreams.com/eleven/num11.htm This site also gives Biblical 11's.
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Number Eleven possesses the qualities of intuition, patience, honesty, sensitivity, and spirituality, and is idealistic. Others turn to people who are 'Eleven' for teaching and inspiration, and are usually uplifted by the experience.

In systems such as Astrology and basic Numerology, eleven is considered to be a Master Number. Eleven can also represent sin; transgression and peril. Ten being the perfect number, eleven represents the exceeding of both. It is interesting to note that eleven when broken down ( 1+1=2) comprises the Two of duality.  Number eleven is a master vibration and as such should not be reduced to a single number.People with this number could be both idealistic and visionary, and they are attracted to the unknown.They can be both unusual, interesting and magnetic personalities.

Eleven bring the gift of spiritual inheritance, is gifted as the "Light-Bearer". It is the number of the Light within all. Strengthened by the love of Peace, gentleness, sensitivity and insight. Greatest facility is the awareness of Universal relationship. Is related to the energy of Oppositions and the Balancing needed in order to achieve synthesis. Eleven is The PeaceMaker... Colours : Gold, Salmon, Prune, White and Black.
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Re: Roman Numeral XI on MJ's chest.

  • on: January 25, 2011, 09:59:58 PM
Im  glad people look at this cover now and are thinking about it. I made this post a while ago and had no response. So Im happy to see that it may mean something. Also maybe need to look into the choices of the songs on the alubums and the song numbers....both discs were gold but only two past....present....what happend to future??? I guess its worth looking into more.  :)
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Re: Roman Numeral XI on MJ's chest.

  • on: February 23, 2011, 02:43:50 PM
http://www.pophistorydig.com/?tag=micha ... son-statue

Funny how this album starts in June...around the 24th too, there is something here I just can't put my finger on it...its a big statement on Mikes part.....this is the album where he starts to fight back to the press...and the album has the word future....but whom knows what the futute holds unless you can put pieces out there, I mean look at the cover of the new "Michael" album him in the front and his HIStory behind him.

I posted the link above about the stautes and some info on the HIStory album and it has things around that time just alot of things that stick out to whats going on now. The article also speaks of P. T. Barnum when it comes to MJ.

  In 1995, music pop star Michael Jackson and his record label, Sony Music, were preparing for the release of a new album – what would become Jackson’s HIStory: Past, Present  & Future, Book 1.   The project  would become one of the most expensive music product promotions ever.  Part of the plan for promoting this album came from Jackson himself. Reportedly, when record executives asked him what he thought might be done, Jackson told the Sony executives “build a statue of me.”  Not only did Sony build one statue of Jackson – they built nine of them, each about 32 feet tall, constructed with steel and fibreglass.  These Jackson statues – with Michael cast in military garb, bandolier across his chest, fists clenched at his side, gazing off into the distance – were placed strategically in European cities in June 1995.  They became center pieces in an elaborate $30 million campaign to promote Jackson and his new album.



One of Michael Jackson’s 9 ‘HIStory’ promo statues being floated on the Thames River in London, June 1995.      On June 15th, 1995, one of the giant Jacksons was floated on a barge through London, England down the Thames River.  London’s Tower Bridge was raised to let the giant Jackson pass through.  The statue was then moored near the Tower of London for a week before “touring the country.”  About a week later, on June 29th, another of the Jackson statues was put into its promotional position in Berlin, Germany, lowered there by a giant construction crane at Alexanderplatz.  Photos of the Jackson statue were also used variously on the covers of concert tickets, CDs, and DVDs serving as an image theme throughout the HIStory campaign.



Statues & Icons
Series

     This story is one in an occasional series that will explore how America, and other countries, honor their icons – from famous politicians and military leaders, to movie stars, TV celebrities, and sports heros.  Societies have been erecting statues or otherwise commemorating their famous and beloved figures for thousands of years.  But in modern times, even fictional characters, their ranks swelled by cinema and television, are now joining those up on the pedestal, some for purely commercial reasons.  As statues and busts, the famous personages are typically cast in outsized proportions, some placed in parks or other public spaces.  Still others are found on postage stamps, murals, buildings, near sports arenas, or in this case, used in a special promotion.  Not all of those so honored, however, meet with public approval, though some have broad and continuing support.  The stories offered in this series will include short sketches on some of these figures — past and present — providing a bit of the history and context on each and how the proposed honor came about.
 





Jackson’s “HIStory”

     HIStory was Michael Jackson’s ninth studio album.  It was a double disc set, a combination of past hits and new material.  Recording started in September 1994 and continued through early spring 1995.  Some of the songs Jackson wrote attacked the press and tabloids for their criticism of him.  By this time in his career, Jackson had begun facing criticism and there had been one 1993 charge of sexual abuse charges from a 13 year old boy – a case that was later settled out of court.  Still, Jackson had a huge global following and he became personally invested in the success of his HIStory album and its related activities.  He was heavily involved in the production of the album and its promotion.  He also made an extravagant “teaser” video to promote the album that would run on MTV, in movie theaters and elsewhere.  In the video, Jackson is shown in full military garb, striding amid hundreds of Eastern Bloc-type soldiers past delirious fans.  He shot the video in Hungary and hired Hungarian soldiers to march in it.  The video cost some $4 million to make.  “When they were shooting this thing in Hungary,” said Dan Beck, a senior marketing executive who worked on the video, “the production company would call me in the middle of the night and say, ‘Michael wants more troops’.”  Beck, relaying this tale to the New York Times years later, added of Jackson: “He dreamed the big dream.  It was P. T. Barnum.”



One of the Jackson statues being positioned by crane in Berlin, June 26, 1995.     Prior to the release of the album, Jackson – then married to Lisa Marie Presley – appeared on U.S. television.  On June 14th, he and Lisa Marie appeared together on the American TV show, Prime Time Live, for the full hour in an interview with Diane Sawyer.  On the show Jackson and Lisa Marie revealed some details of their marriage and Jackson discussed his music and career.  The program was seen by some 60 million viewers and was one of the most watched programs that year.  The following day in London (Friday, June 16, 1995), Sony floated the huge Michael Jackson statue down the River Thames to publicize the next day’s release of the HIStory album.  This statue, and eight others, were each 32-feet tall, weighed about 4,625- pounds, built with a steel truss frame and fibreglass surface.  According to one report, it took a team of at least 30 people to build the statues over a three-month period, and additional expense and manpower to put them into position.  There were also 6-foot cardboard versions of the statue as part of the promotion.

Six-foot Michael Jackson cardboard replicas of the statue were also used.
     HIStory, meanwhile, was released for worldwide sale on June 18th, 1995.  The two-disc album was a compilation of old and new material.  The first disc featured 15 Jackson hits from 1979-1991 period.  The second featured 15 new tracks, some collaborations, including those with rappers Shaquille O’Neill and Notorious B.I.G, singers Boyz II Men, and guitarist Slash.  A few of Jackson’s songs struck some reviewers as angry and defensive, as Jackson used some of his song lyrics to fight back against the bad press he was then getting.  The album/CD also came with a 52-page color booklet with photos, lyrics, and artwork, featuring Jackson as a popular and beloved figure with endorsements from Stephen Spielberg and Elizabeth Taylor.  The booklet also listed Jackson’s various music awards and showed him in photographs with U.S. Presidents and surrounded by adoring children.

     “From its packaging to its songs,” wrote the New York Times’ Jon Pareles in June 1995, “HIStory is a psychobiographer’s playground.  Everything is on a gargantuan scale…”  Pareles especially noted the military and statue-related scenes in Jackson’s video teaser released to promote the album.  Chris Willman of the Los Angeles Times, also reviewing the album and its video promo, noted the “King of Pop” placards placed among the admiring throngs in the video, and also a well-placed child calling out, “I love you, Michael!”  Willman concluded: “The clip doesn’t just stop at representing previously known levels of Michael mania, it goes well beyond the bounds of self-congratulation to become perhaps the most baldly vainglorious self-deification a pop singer has yet deigned to share with his public, at least with a straight face.”




Sales Boom

     HIStory broke sales records in its first week on the charts.  In the U.K. it sold 100,000 copies in just two days and in Australia the advance order of 130,000 copies was the largest initial shipment in Sony Australia’s history.  Similar sales figures were witnessed all over Europe.  In the U.S. and 18 other countries, the album went to No. 1.
In the U.S. and 18 other countries, the album went to No. 1.  Sales would eventually surpass 15 million copies. Sony reported in August 1995, that sales at its two music subsidiaries in Japan and the U.S. rose 2.2 percent largely because of Jackson’s HIStory album.  Sony added in its report that the album had sold six million copies worldwide.  Sales would eventually surpass 15 million copies.  In addition, five singles from the album were also released.  “You Are Not Alone,” for example, broke a world record becoming the first-ever single to debut at No.1 on the Billboard music charts.  In the year following the album’s release, a HIStory World Tour began on September 7, 1996.  Jackson performed 82 concerts in 58 cities covering 35 countries on five continents.  More than 4.5 million fans saw the show, and the tour became one of Jackson’s most successful in terms of total audience.  The tour ended on October 15, 1997; it grossed a total of $163.5 million.




Financial Straits

     Jackson by this time appears to have needed every bit of money he could make from the sale of the HIStory album and his HIStory World Tour.  By November 1995, for example, Jackson had sold a 50 percent stake in the Beatles song catalog he owned for more than $100 million, which one adviser at the time said would help shore up Jackson’s wobbling accounts.



Another view of one of the Michael Jackson statues built to promote his ‘HIStory’ album, displayed at Eindhoven, the Netherlands.     As for the nine, giant Michael Jackson statues, it is not known what their final disposition was in every case.  Although built with substantial materials as noted above, these statues, as far as is known, were not intended for permanent installation anywhere.  However, it appears that some of the statues have been placed in parks and other locations more or less permanently.  In the photo at left, for example, this Michael Jackson statue from the 1995 promotion is found in Eindhoven, the Netherlands, according to Wikipedia, and may be a permanent installation there.  It is quite possible that the remaining Jackson statues have also been placed in other locations following their use in the promotion.  Others may have been destroyed, acquired by collectors, or perhaps are stored in a Sony Music warehouse somewhere.

     It is known, however, that at the time of their use in 1995, there was a fair amount of criticism of Jackson and Sony for the initiative, some calling it “excessive,” “over the top,” and worse.  But hey, Michael Jackson was a showman; this is what he did in life, all the world was his stage.  He was also a businessman and an entertainment marketer.  In any case, many of Jackson’s fans in 1995, despite his critics, were excited by, and enthusiastic supporters of, his HIStory promotion gig, however overblown it may have seemed to others.
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