Not A Double but Dualism!

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Re: Not A Double but Dualism!

  • on: October 07, 2010, 03:31:44 PM
Quote from: jacilovesmichael
Thanks Serenity. Just now reading this thread. I want to watch the video but it's been removed. Any idea where I can see it? This concept is very interesting to me. I used to tell my mom that Michael Jackson was God when I was a little girl.
I had to move it to another channel because of copyright claims made against the music in some of my videos. On more claim on my other channel and the account gets closed and that's a lot of videos to have to re-upload.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPpiCpELA6Q[/youtube]
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Re: Not A Double but Dualism!

  • on: October 08, 2010, 09:13:50 PM
With regard to the healing powers that Michael could have that Serenitys_Dream mentioned, I think we should keep an open mind to these things because of them has been written and researched, such as the imposition of hands, a continuation of many items that can be found on the Internet;

The imposition of hands is very probably one of the most ancient, well-known and popular alternative healing methods. From ancient Egypt are evidence of its existence, as in the Papyrus Ebers dated around 1552 BC, and describing this technique as a medical treatment used in those times. Also known biblical references on the figure of Jesus, then became a common practice in Christianity, and preaching, administer the sacraments or blessed with holy water and oils.
In more modern times, the doctor Franz Anton Mesmer ensured that it could carry out cures on the channelling of what he called the animal, somewhat different from the well-known physical magnetism magnetism. For Mesmer, there was a force linking "celestial bodies, Earth and animated bodies, thus stated it in 1779. He was convinced that it was possible to address this fluid in the whole universe, and thus cure any disease.
Initially performed passes with magnets around the patient's body, but then thought that there was no need for direct contact with the magnet, but it was enough to magnetize the objects so that they transmit their healing effects. Became place a bucket magnetized in the center of a room which were several rods to which agarraban patients. These people tended to experience various nerve or hysterical reactions, because they were caused by their faith that were being subjected to some sort of energy through their bodies, or because they actually alleged magnetic force that postulated Mesmer, make effect on them. In our century, during the 1960s, the first known investigations were conducted by Dr. Bernard Grad from McGill University in Montreal, who came to the conclusion that the psychic or spiritual healers were really effective to use energy from his hands to heal. Made a number of experiments using plants and animals to avoid interfered belief or faith who were submitted as object of his evidence.
Hungarian Academy Estebany as main partner, Grad caused goiters in mice to be used for one of his first experiments and then split them into two groups: the first would control and the second would be subjected to the influence of the healer. Forty days were compared mice of both groups, checking that the mice treated by Estebany had developed a much smaller than the control group goiter. Subsequent experiments, Grad used cotton was touched by the hands of the healer, to put it into diseased mice, and got the same results, even though there was no direct contact between Estebany and animals. Later would experiment with plants and seeds, with similar results, demonstrating that the hands of the healer, or mind, possessed any curative effect on living beings.
Nowadays there are many and very varied experiments performed to verify the existence of this energy realization in all human beings and that would be able to heal others through physical contact or with single intention and desire to heal a permanently. Apart from that and wait the scientific establishment to take a decision based on what has already been investigated, many hospitals, doctors and nurses use it to support traditional medicine for the relief of any disease, getting results evidently successful and beyond by chance.
http://www.proyectopv.org/1-verdad/imposicionmanos.htm

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Re: Not A Double but Dualism!

  • on: October 08, 2010, 09:56:49 PM
The following link can also read some of the impression de Souza who like Serenitys_Dream is not a religious person.

viewtopic.php?f=17&t=14414

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Re: Not A Double but Dualism!

  • on: October 13, 2010, 08:24:32 PM
Very interesting thread!  I agree that it's not in Michael's interest for us to start telling people he was God/the Messiah, because some people out there already dismiss the fans as "crazy" and we should try to appear as rational as possible.  :D

I don't know if Michael was the Messiah, BUT some things about him did make me wonder whether Michael had a greater touch of divinity (or whatever, something beyond humanity) in him than most people:
1. Michael's healing powers, which I believe did exist - I remember seeing a video of Gavin when he was brought to Neverland, and he was in BAD shape (bald, in a wheelchair)... He really did heal, and doctors couldn't explain it - as Gavin was expected to die.
2. Michael's voice and music. The voice has a certain quality to it (don't you think?), and the music has a calming, anti-depressive effect.  Many people have said that Michael and his music have helped/sustained them during difficult times.  We can't quantify the effect, but who knows, it may have saved some people's lives by preventing them from getting more stressed, developing cancer etc?
3. Michael's multiplicity of talents. There are, and have been, other geniuses in the world, but they're generally known for being great at one thing... not 5 or 10 or however many.
Fred Astaire and Gene Kelly: dancers
Charlie Chaplin: tragedian
Celine Dion, Elvis Presley, The Beatles & others: singers
Nelson Mandela, Dalai Lama: humanitarians
All of the above people are comparable to someone... MJ isn't comparable to anyone!
4. Michael's poems and essays in "Dancing the Dream". They show that MJ had a great sense of destiny/mission from an early age and cared greatly about the world at large...
5. Various things said by MJ and some of the people who knew him.  There were, as I'm sure you all know, references to channeling, MJ being a bit of a psychic... And many comments by MJ about the music coming from God.  (That's how he always explained his creative process.)
6. The paintings at Neverland, and the overall obsession with God & Jesus, royalty, ancient Egyptians... There was something there, not sure exactly what.

NOW, I do think that MJ wanted to be the no. 1 star in the world and may have done some things in his 20s to create drama and mystique... But he certainly wasn't a hypocrite or a pretender, because 40+ years in the spotlight would have betrayed him.  So who knows...

Reality as a concept is harder to pin down than we tend to think.  What if life is the big illusion (like The Matrix) and God is the big reality?  I mean, our every thought (including love) is only an electrical impulse in our brain... Isn't that astounding?  ;)
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Re: Not A Double but Dualism!

  • on: October 13, 2010, 09:08:48 PM
truthprevails,

110% agree with your post :)
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Re: Not A Double but Dualism!

  • on: October 13, 2010, 11:57:55 PM
Thank you, Gema!  :P  Best wishes!

There's another thing I forgot to mention:
Of all the Jackson siblings (10 overall, I think?), Michael was the only one who got vitiligo & turned white. Unless you believe that he was poisoned (or the disease was somehow caused by someone), it looks like destiny, like something that was meant to happen to him... As if to make the point that he transcended race/color and maybe also to make people question some things - e.g. their identity or the fact that we tend to judge people by their appearance...
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Re: Not A Double but Dualism!

  • on: October 14, 2010, 11:52:25 AM
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Thank you, Gema!  :P  Best wishes!

There's another thing I forgot to mention:
Of all the Jackson siblings (10 overall, I think?), Michael was the only one who got vitiligo & turned white. Unless you believe that he was poisoned (or the disease was somehow caused by someone), it looks like destiny, like something that was meant to happen to him... As if to make the point that he transcended race/color and maybe also to make people question some things - e.g. their identity or the fact that we tend to judge people by their appearance...

YESSS! I've thought of that as well. I also agree with you about his music being healing for people, I don't know if I would have survived this much of life without his music and I'm 100% serious about that.

Also, when I was younger I told my mom that I liked MJ because (and I quote) "he's not black or white or a girl or boy, he's everything in one!" I also told my mom that I loved Michael because "he's close to God". And it's because of MJ that I believed in God as a child.

I think children are really in tune with these things...and I've never let go of that innocent, loving feeling that he gave me. Whenever I'm feeling upset.. I turn on his music and I can go back to that place..that innocent, magical, childlike place. I think that's a miracle in itself.
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Re: Not A Double but Dualism!

  • on: October 14, 2010, 10:23:47 PM
jacilovesmichael:
Very beautiful what you said... I think your instincts about Michael were right!   :P  I often think that children are bigger people, in a sense, than adults... Life tends to corrupt us, to make us deviate from the real path and forget the big, important truths.  That's why I love "The Little Prince" by Exupery... There's much wisdom in it.

Blessings!
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Re: Not A Double but Dualism!

  • on: August 24, 2011, 09:32:36 PM
Interesting. I won't take a stance, but am willing to keep my mind open. I am not religious, so the idea does not offend me. I was a Jehovah;s Witness for several years and spent much of my life forcefully immersed in Christianity. I do not take the Bible literally and do believe that it has been written and rewritten to serve purposes beyond the glory of God and Christ. I believe it impossible to know what is truth or fiction in religion and at this point in my life, I do not discount any possibilities. I am not afraid to speak my mind and loathe political correctness (aka censorship). To the OP, at the very least, this is a well thought out theory. True or not, you put a lot of work, a lot of heart, and a lot of soul into this. Good job!
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